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    You sound like those Q conspiracy theorist, TC.

    You cannot accept truth so you make stuff up until it fits the false narrative you want to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lezard21 View Post
    If it was 3 months ago it's not unexpected. This is not the Spanish Inquisition.
    3 months is a very short time even in normal times. Buying servers is not like going to the store and buying a computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackoShadows View Post
    They shouldn't have been caught THIS off guard though. Yeah there was a large influx of players a few months ago but it's not like their game was super unpopular before. There should have been plans to increase capacity well in advance if needed.
    There were, and those plans were likely affected by the shortage. I think a lot of people (like yourself) think that "get new servers" is about as easy as ordering shoes on Amazon. This isn't put an order in and then wait for your stuff to show up on your doorstep.

    SE has a process that involves a personal inspection of the site or equipment (they mentioned this specifically in one of their live letters) and getting their certified inspection team to the site is difficult even if the hardware was available. They likely have very specific tolerances and specifications that have to be met to handle metrics they've dealt with before (note that the new amount of player influx is unprecedented for them) so it's not like they can just grab any available equipment that's lying around or "just use cloud servers".

    A doubling of a player base in a year during a supply shortage and time of travel restriction due to an unprecedented pandemic is not something you can plan for. That's what everyone is trying to get across but it seems people can't imagine anything being harder than a hardware run to Frys (RIP).

    SE HAS had plans to expand and those plans got whacked by the past 2 years of crazyness. So now on top of their old plans being delayed as hell they have a NEW problem on top of it that isn't solveable by throwing money at it.



    Lets try to simplify this down to say.. a cookie stand on the corner. You make 20 cookies a day and manage to sell 16-18 of them. You don't want to buy too many eggs cause they spoil and that would be wasted cost (think server rent and maintenance, you pay for it regardless of use). As your stand gets more popular you notice you're now able to sell all 20 cookies pretty well so you start buying enough ingredients for 30 cookies. Now you sell 25-28 cookies a day. Again the business grows and you notice a trend of being able to sell more cookies at a regular growth rate. You buy ingredients at a certain rate of increase to keep up with this and plan for maybe next year , ramping up at a rate to keep up with demand so that there are always enough cookies for the newer customers coming in but not so many ingredients that you waste money on things you never use also noting that ingredient orders have to be put in for several months at a time.

    NOW.. if you've made it through all that, what is happening here is suddenly your cookie stand went viral because the other cookie people in the town .. I dunno.. were found out to be baking rats into their cookies to save cost. So now everyone in the market wants cookies from you. You bought ingredients to make cookies for 200 people but there are 600 people who want cookies. All your suppliers CANNOT provide you more ingredients because of avian flu and wheat fires and chocolate worker strikes which have been happening for a while but you still could get your planned growth accounted for. These conditions were OK last month because your growth was still within the supply means.

    Now apparently you are about to be lynched by the cookie wanting mob because you should have seen this coming and made sure you grew your cookie business to 600 cookies a day regardless of how many you were selling and how much it would have cost you.


    ... aside from me now wanting a cookie really badly, do you understand now why "they should have prepared for this" is not an educated response?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisaa View Post
    3 months is a very short time even in normal times. Buying servers is not like going to the store and buying a computer.
    Heck my new build PC took 4 months and it was coming direct from Hitachi, 3 months late and that was because of waiting for the GFX card to be delivered, which was of course, waiting for semi conductors to arrive at AMD

    And that was for a single unit, not a server farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iaito View Post
    LOL because a massive infrastructure of server additions in multiple datacenters can be done overnight when servers aren't even available. LMAO! K!
    If servers aren’t available, how are other games launching, and how has Square just released The First Soldier?
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    Here is the thing: Japan and European servers have little queue times and can log in quick. Not all theirs are in use. What's to say they can't take a couple and borrow them until things die down a bit?

    Plus: Shadowbringers on a pretty shitty computer was nowhere near this bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shug View Post
    If servers aren’t available, how are other games launching, and how has Square just released The First Soldier?
    I didnt know those servers were the same ones running FFXIV, the 2nd Largest (I think) MMO on the Market having to deal with a Huge Influx of players playing on a 3day Early Access Release Weekend for a Highly Anticipated Expansion thats ending a Saga that was told over10 Years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shug View Post
    If servers aren’t available, how are other games launching, and how has Square just released The First Soldier?
    Different games require different specifications and capacity and must be compatible with the existing hardware. Just because you can run one games servers on something doesn't mean you can use the same hardware for another. Also games launches are planned years in advance, the problem here.. as per my cookie stand example.. is that the problem showed up a few months before an already planned launch. Projected growth was far outstripped by demand.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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    I'm not being magnanomus. SQ-E does this every time there is a new launch. I pay to play this game and expect to be able to play. If I can't play , especially due to negligence on the part of SQ-E (They've known for years the need for greater server capacity during launch) I deserve a refund of my subscription until I can play. FFxiv is a great game but I believe in service being the most important thing to a costumer. FFxiv is not the only MMO in townand unless SQ-E starts to respect it's Paying costumers I will spend my money elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    There were, and those plans were likely affected by the shortage. I think a lot of people (like yourself) think that "get new servers" is about as easy as ordering shoes on Amazon. This isn't put an order in and then wait for your stuff to show up on your doorstep.
    What funny is that I saw some of these people posted "What's so hard about getting the server? You just order it, BAM, there's your new server". It wasn't even a sarcasm either. They really believed that.
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