I Really Want To Enjoy Monk....

[ssunny2008]

The funny thing is that the positionals are less forgiving to miss now because the potency bonus is actually higher.
So you're even more compelled to do them than before.

Which makes it a bit bizarre for some people to celebrate about the devs supposedly listening to them.

Not really at all with more GCD´s overall. SP is barely used thx to all the PB windows and Blitz - GCD´s. The most of the time you´re able to stay behind the boss for Demolish. So far MNK plays like a worse NIN and DRG / SAM have to care more about Positionals to not to lose too much damage.

[Kolsykol]

I wasn't saying that there aren't fewer positionals, what I was saying is that people who are ignoring them intentionally and hate them so much are punished more for actually missing the ones that there are now.

[HappyHubris]

I wasn't saying that there aren't fewer positionals, what I was saying is that people who are ignoring them intentionally and hate them so much are punished more for actually missing the ones that there are now.

Sure, but they have to do way fewer positional skills, which will be perceived as an upgrade.

[Kolsykol]

will be perceived as an upgrade.

Yeah and that's why I think it's funny that they're celebrating so much.

As a side note, Samurai actually got damage positionals now their combos only used to give Kenki for hitting positionals but now they actually deal less damage if you don't hit the positionals too.
See what I mean?
It used to be an argument people had that you didn't need to do positionals on SAM because it '' didn't matter it's only Kenki '' ( which is a dumb argument but regardless ).
For all their celebrating they seem not to have read the actual descriptions and realized that SE actually made it more punishing for their attitude towards positionals.
Ignoring positionals on SAM is going to be even worse than it was before.

So the argument some people are making that they're happy because SE listened to people who are obsessed with putting as little effort in as possible in their gameplay seems a tad strange.
Sure there's less on MNK, but if you miss them it's less damage than before.
And on SAM you're now significantly more compelled to hit the positionals the punishment for not doing so is way higher it's Kenki + quite a bit of damage.

[silentwindfr]

i don't know if you did notice, they did take out the ogc true, but instead forbidden chakra and enlightnement are ogc, meditation is a gcd but the the other become ogc when full of chakra.
we didn't loose the ogcd they have changed of form, yes we do get less control on the burst... and some change are needed for make it more fluid. example of stuff that need to be changed:

- masterfull blitz: the fact that the blitz is a gcd feel weird and make the timer misaligne on big fight... put the blitz in ogc will solve this easily.

- perfect balance timer: if feel that the the timer of perfect balance is either too short or too long... we get in a perfect balance every 40 second, let's say you have 2 sec gcd you will get one nadi every 48 second. (3 skill + 1 blitz) and the big attack will come every 144 sec, even if you drop your buff at 120 sec... when with the skill you will be at 24 second of the big attack... since duration of buff is 15 second, we are 9 second short.
ok i know it's perfect timer but in all in all with each 120 sec cycle the trouble increase of 9 second... if the fight goes for more of 5-10 minutes the difference begin to be too big for be ignored.

- riddle of the wind: i'm conflicted by this one... they have notice we did loose dps with the change of the grease lightning since the increase of potency of the skill didn't affect the auto attack... but personally i feel this skill is....meh. dunno how to solve it but i feel something can be changed for make it more simpler and more interesting. (dont get me wrong i know it's an increase of dps, just i feel it's....Weird. plus we have 3 buff to pop at the same time if we want to maximise damage what can be complicate)

- anatman... seriously, can we do something about this? i means it was already a skill barely usefull in ShB and it didn't change with ED worst with the change to form shift... i get what they did wanted to give us... but can we have something really usefull most of the time not simply one time in some fight every 32 of each 4 years cycle.

by the way a solution for chakra overflow... allows us to stack 2 charge of forbidden chakra and enlightnement even if technically in terms of fluff i don't see how it's possible.

[Lihtleita]

imagine theres a coffee shop that sells that one niche drink you like. it isnt perfect by any means and some menu changes make you groan, but they still do that one drink you cant get anywhere else. so you stay.

imagine that coffee shop gets shut down one day and replaced with a starbucks. there isnt anything wrong with it, and more customers want to come.

but now nowhere sells that one drink you like.


edit: AND ALSO THE NEW OWNERS NEVER REMOVED THE WEIRD CARPET STAINS THAT ARE ANATMAN AND SSS

[Kolsykol]

i don't know if you did notice, they did take out the ogc true, but instead forbidden chakra and enlightnement are ogc,.

?
This was always the case...
Forbidden Chakra and Enlightenment weren't gcds before.

[Yokubo]

imagine theres a coffee shop that sells that one niche drink you like. it isnt perfect by any means and some menu changes make you groan, but they still do that one drink you cant get anywhere else. so you stay.

imagine that coffee shop gets shut down one day and replaced with a starbucks. there isnt anything wrong with it, and more customers want to come.

but now nowhere sells that one drink you like.


edit: AND ALSO THE NEW OWNERS NEVER REMOVED THE WEIRD CARPET STAINS THAT ARE ANATMAN AND SSS

That's a really good analogy. And agreed on your edit as well

[miqou]

I also agree that Monk in it's current state feels like it lost its identity. I loved the positionals, it created not only a skill ceiling but also that cool feeling of dancing around your enemy while hitting all their weakspots.

What bothers me too is that Perfect Balance and Masterful Blitz are two individual buttons. There is no point in splitting them like that, Perfect Balance should just upgrade to Masterful Blitz upon activation.I wonder why almost nobody noticed that on here. It is just unnecessary skill cluttering especially for us controller players. Combine them to one Button!
They should also change back the Twin Snakes Bufficon to the one it was before, we have so many different buffs that share the orange color so it's hard to track down.
As for Riddle of Wind, I love the new animation it has. But the effect seems so underwhelming and boring.

I've come up with a few Ideas and would love to share them with you guys. Of course I am open to feedback.

• Change back the Twin Snakes Bufficon
• Reintroduce Positionals, Riddle of Earth should regain the positional negating
  
• Perfect Balance, now upgrades to Masterful Blitz upon activation (combining them to one button, just like SCH Seraph changes)
• Riddle of Wind, now adds an extra stack of Perfect Balance, executing the next Blitz will generate the missing/opposite Nandi (somewhat like NIN Kassatsu) Attack-Speed moved to Masterful Blitz
• Masterful Blitz, executing any Blitz except for Celestial Revolution will now also reduce auto-attack delay by 50% for 3 seconds.
• Six-sided Star, still on GCD but with 40s CD. Consuming the current form instead of the lock-out. (would make a good transition into Perfect Balance)
• The Forbidden Chakra, now also generates through auto-attack crits. (Making Chakras more frequent and also playing into the attack-speed buff)
  
  Anatman is a little bit tricky, but if they want to go crazy...
• Anatman, now reduces ongoing Cooldowns while being channeled.

[Bobby66]

imagine theres a coffee shop that sells that one niche drink you like. it isnt perfect by any means and some menu changes make you groan, but they still do that one drink you cant get anywhere else. so you stay.

imagine that coffee shop gets shut down one day and replaced with a starbucks. there isnt anything wrong with it, and more customers want to come.

but now nowhere sells that one drink you like.


edit: AND ALSO THE NEW OWNERS NEVER REMOVED THE WEIRD CARPET STAINS THAT ARE ANATMAN AND SSS

Not to derail not a m k main but that is how I feel about smn.