Thread: 6.0 Healer Feedback Thread

I’m actually loving Sage. I got it to 90 yesterday and still in the 85-87 msq zone because I did roulettes daily and that gave allot of exp too.

The instant shields are so fun and makes it easier to react to TB and raid wides. I absolutely also love the nouliths. They can basically be anything the devs want. My favorites so far are the bazooka looking ones, the kinna ones, the sunflower coloured ones and the greenish ones I’m wearing now.

Looking forward to seeing what other creations the devs will come up with. I wish I could draw because I would totally enter the weapon drawing contest. I would like butterfly nouliths and cube nouliths. Pretty please.

Originally Posted by Deceptus

Then why are you posting here, or at all on this topic?

Because I don't need to swap to a healer job to have eyes, and note that the general gameplay flow hasn't changed? That's my feedback. I've played along with "wait and see! Try it out!" for multiple expansions now. I'm done debating the finer nuances of what slight modifications would maybe make spamming Glare "fun". It's not, and it's nowhere close to it. Squeenix has so thoroughly ignored veteran healer feedback that this is now my feedback: you have successfully killed my interest in suggesting improvements. I always play support classes; this game is the first to chase me away from it.

Got SGE to 90 and finished the MSQ with it.

Currently leveling AST.

I am surprised how much I enjoy both of them. My main complain with healers is the Nuke spam, but these two somehow feel rather busy.

SGE is fun in dungeon pulls where the use of AoE rotation makes the DPS engaging. Pre - applying shields on the tank to while they gather mobs then unloading Phlegma and Toxikon on the pack of mobs is fun and satisfying, and the lack of gear and experience of tanks keeps me on my toes.

I am surprised by how much having to go through Eukrasia changes the FEEL of the job.

On bosses, it is indeed Dosis spam, but playing around with positioning, Phlegma and movement tools Icarus and Toxkion is also quite fun.


AST feels even busier than ever. I find Astrodyne quite interesting even if the changes to the redraw system are imo a big negative. I hate having to sit on seals once I have the three different ones because I don't want to risk a full Astrodyne before I align it with Divination. Or redrawing a card and getting the same seal again.

Having 2 draws is great though.

In terms of healing, It works, as it used to pretty much. I do love the new Exaltation? ability. Feels great to use on pulls and tankbusters. And the enormous Earthly star is fantastic. I am surprised at how many damage options we have now with AST, setting an Earthly Star, getting lucky with Lord of Crownd and Astrodyne+Divinatiom feels fantastic. Lots of weaving, lots of numbers flying around. That is, when RNG is on your side ofc.

Originally Posted by Semirhage

Because I don't need to swap to a healer job to have eyes, and note that the general gameplay flow hasn't changed? That's my feedback. I've played along with "wait and see! Try it out!" for multiple expansions now. I'm done debating the finer nuances of what slight modifications would maybe make spamming Glare "fun". It's not, and it's nowhere close to it. Squeenix has so thoroughly ignored veteran healer feedback that this is now my feedback: you have successfully killed my interest in suggesting improvements. I always play support classes; this game is the first to chase me away from it.

Good god, what WHM got is so bad. SCH too to an extent but I can't argue how much the Broil cast reduction has helped the flow of the job.

But WHM, jesus. No job deserves this bore. Why is Liturgy of the Lilly a 180cd, it should be 90s at worst. WHM got barely anything interesting, and what they got can be used so seldomly it barely leaves a lasting impact on the player.

Been leveling some WHM on the side just in case, via fates. Noticing I'm running out of mana in a minute just spamming glare which is hilariously bad, IMO

Originally Posted by Sani2341

But that only applies to the up to three Toxikons you can get from downtime shielding.
The moment you put a E. Diagnosis on the Tank during the pull jsut for toxikon, it starts to loose out quickly to dyskrasia, as you loose a full GCD of damage to get that addersting stack.

My math accounted for that. See the last bit of calculation where I was essentially putting numbers to what I hoped was otherwise quite obvious. One GCD for a heal to later be followed by a slightly stronger AoE was going to lose out to just casting the slightly weaker AoE twice.

Originally Posted by Maxilor

So we essentially take all Dyskrasia's in those calculations and double them to account for the extra GCD of damage.

No need to do that. The first set of calculations were to help justify that in a given moment, if you had to choose between Dyskrasia vs. Toxicon for a single cast and you could cast both, Toxicon wins unless you have an absurd amount of targets and don't care about MP cost. In other words, if you didn't have a charge for Toxicon, then just use Dyskrasia.

The last bit of computations I did was essentially stating Sani2341's point: Don't be fooled into thinking you should be setting up to cast Toxicon just for the sake of casting Toxicon. Those GCDs you use to cast the heals are GCDs you aren't doing damage which is why in that example I'm comparing a single Toxicon II's damage to 2 casts of Dyskrasia II.

The bottom line is that Toxicon barely has reason to exist. It's pretty situational and I find that I only really use it in big pulls where the tank is taking enough damage to justify Eukrasian Diagnosis for healing purposes, and only at times when the tank actually needed it. If you just start spamming Eukrasian Diagnosis even in a big pull, you're likely to overheal and then even refresh the shield before it has a chance to break which will cause you to be even more wasteful.