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    Sililos's Avatar
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    Sililos Sanura
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    Sophia
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    Dancer Lv 100

    I just cant grasp Sage

    Given it a try, im not a healer main, nor do I even have much experience.
    This job just feels like total garbage.

    WHM I was ok at, Pop Medica 2, DPS, maybe a targeted heal or two, win.

    Sage has so much target switching its total chaos and both the barrier's and heals feel like they do barely anything, so far have only been trying to heal the NPC and she always drops dead pretty much the moment i target the enemy to start DPSing.

    it feels chaotic, it feels unintuitive, it feels like theres just too much going on for this to be fun. Oh right thats healing in general.

    Just what Am i supposed to do to get this job/job role to bloody work?

    And my god, all the damn target switching, having to know where my cursor is at all times with everything going on so i can click elsewhere/the NPC meanwhile AOE's everywhere and having to also heal yourself.

    I mean damn SE, Were humans, we have limits ands this just feels like there is too much going on at once and no time to react!

    I seriously dont get it at all!
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    Last edited by Sililos; 12-04-2021 at 03:34 PM.

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    Winter Gem
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Everything feels chaotic at first including dps jobs and tanks. Being new to healing means there is a lot to adjust to. Just give yourself time. No one has been able to play Sage for more than a day yet. There is plenty of time to settle in. Try lower level dungeons where your kit is smaller and work your way up. You'll get the hang of it soon enough.
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    TY I will later once I have calmed down. 25 times seeing the NPC in the first story dungeon lose 95% HP in one blow while shielded, then lose the rest after an instant heal but before you get a chance to pop any others, gets a bit.... well Its pushed my desire to play at all too an all time low lol.

    So i think some calming down is in order for now.
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    TY I will later once I have calmed down. 25 times seeing the NPC in the first story dungeon lose 95% HP in one blow while shielded, then lose the rest after an instant heal but before you get a chance to pop any others, gets a bit.... well Its pushed my desire to play at all too an all time low lol.

    So i think some calming down is in order for now.
    While this video is for Shadowbringers and Scholar, it's still very relevant information for how to approach healing. And with Sage sharing a lot of similarities to Scholar, it may help at least give you a better understanding on how to approach barrier healing. It may even be beneficial for you to play a little of Scholar as it's generally easier to grasp compared to Sage.

    Beyond that, try not to beat yourself up too much. I've been leveling Reaper and even as an experienced Melee and Tank player, it still takes a bit to sort of get comfortable with how the job flows and what I'm supposed to align with my buffs.
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


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    Jojo Ryder
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    Famfrit
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    Warrior Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    Everything feels chaotic at first including dps jobs and tanks. Being new to healing means there is a lot to adjust to. Just give yourself time. No one has been able to play Sage for more than a day yet. There is plenty of time to settle in. Try lower level dungeons where your kit is smaller and work your way up. You'll get the hang of it soon enough.
    This basically encompasses anything any of the rest of us could tell you.
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Bard Lv 100
    Let it settle give it a go, if it’s not your thing then it’s not your thing.
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    Rhea Seren
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    Gunbreaker Lv 92
    You'll get it eventually! I think Sage is very solid and pretty easy to get the best out of.

    Tho, I basically only did a few Rous and some dummy practice.

    Put the thingy on your Tank, use dps abilities, use proper heals sometimes and you'll be golden, promise ^^
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    Given it a try, im not a healer main, nor do I even have much experience.
    This'll get the backs up of everyone here, But swap Dosis, Toxikon and Phlegma for a macro that goes something like:
    /ac "Dosis" <t>
    /ac "Dosis" <tt>
    What it does is simple. If the target is hostile, casts at that target. If the target is friendly, your Dosis will be cast at whatever the friendly is targetting.
    It'll prevent you from being able to queue those spells and leads to a DPS loss over time, though the feature should be a freaking baseline in Healer DPS spells.

    But it does let you freely DPS while holding your target on the Tank or other party members. Which eliminates the annoying need to be swapping targets every 2 seconds.

    That story instance shouldn't be chunking the tank NPC anywhere that hard.
    Eukrasia Diagnosis should be dropped on the NPC whenever it isnt up.
    Your main healing will come from Eukrasia Diagnosis (Even in mass pulls, i only need to resort to regular Diagnosis spam when DPS is too slow and i run out of everything else)

    If you've never tried it, set the boss/hostile to Focus Target. Tankbusters will usually be long cast attacks that will be visible on that bar for you while you have the Tank targetted.
    Eukrasia Diagnosis while the tankbusters are charging. Taurochole if the tank is missing HP to heal it and grant 15 seconds of damage reduction.
    Kerachole if they're full HP for the same 15 second damage reduction.

    If you ever played Dark Knight during Heavensward, Eukrasia is basically a GCD version of Dark Arts (Part of why i love Sage i think lol) and is meant to be used liberally.
    If done right, you can go whole dungeons and never have to hardcast anything other than Dosis.

    But probably the main thing is to ensure you have a full set of gear going in lol.
    My Armory was all over the place so i didnt notice that i didnt have the right gear on me and the recommended gear button put a cosmetic helm on and level 50 accessories including a caster ring lol. So i did that story dungeon technically with half my gear missing XD
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    I advise you go learn a lower level healer first rather than sage to get a feel for how healing works. The most important thing to do as a healer in ff14 is NOT PANIC and the second is to dps when you don't need to heal. Given sage heals by dpsing, this is even more important. The moment you start panicking is when things die.

    The sage toolkit is a bit overwhelming at first like any new job though so that will be a significant factor in why you panicked

    I also feel for you about the target switching, ugh that was hard on controller when your tank isn't in the party. Thank goodness druochole is so busted

    the principles of healing in ff14 are

    1. Read your tooltips (like any job)
    2. Get a feel for your healing tools and their strength/frequency.
    3. Dps when you dont need to heal.
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I guess this is what can happen if you just jump into healing. I strongly recommend taking a healer into Hall of Novice. I was able to hop right into SGE because I've been healing using all three jobs since HW, and even then I still had to really read the tooltips and put them into practice to understand was SGE is trying to do. I couldn't even imagine just hopping into healing @lv70 with a ton of skills I don't even have remote experience with.

    The solo instance giving you difficulty is not due to the design of the encounter. If you or the NPC keeps dying, you are either not keeping them healed, or not doing a certain mechanic that punishes you and/or her if you fail it. Sometimes solo encounters do have soft enrages that has you focus on DPS, but that is not the case here. I know you hear all the time to cause as much damage as possible no matter what role you are playing, and SGE has a heavy 'I do deeps' vibe, but instances like that one is to teach you three things:
    1. Keep your own butt from frying
    2. Keep your team from dying
    3. Destroy all hostile targets

    The instance is a good indicator that if you can't clear it, then stay out of dungeons until you do.
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