Black Mage - the solution for everything?

[Nabiri]

I wouldn't quote him on that, he doesn't play WHM. Although, it does hold truth to some degree. I wouldnt bother healing anyone that constantly takes damages from avoidable moves (Eruptions/Plumes/Pom Flares/Shrieks).

Just sounds weird to me. I heal anyone who needs healing. I don't sit there and hoard my MP.
As a healer I try my best to keep the whole party alive. If I fail I fail, but I always try my best.

Anyways, on topic..
I don't like the whole stacking jobs thing because it becomes hard to get a group on my job of choice.
I'm not going to go level a new job that's the current favourite for the newest battle, just to get in.
I think SE said they're already looking into balancing things though. Hopefully things improve.

Edit: It's actually not just people being left out for not having the favoured job that bothers me, but.. even as a BLM I don't want to join a full party of BLMs.. I don't want stuff handed to me. I want a challenge.

[AnaviAnael]

Black Mages are like duct tape, they fix everything.

[Firon]

Just sounds weird to me. I heal anyone who needs healing. I don't sit there and hoard my MP.
As a healer I try my best to keep the whole party alive. If I fail I fail, but I always try my best.

Anyways, on topic..
I don't like the whole stacking jobs thing because it becomes hard to get a group on my job of choice.
I'm not going to go level a new job that's the current favourite for the newest battle, just to get in.
I think SE said they're already looking into balancing things though. Hopefully things improve.

Edit: It's actually not just people being left out for not having the favoured job that bothers me, but.. even as a BLM I don't want to join a full party of BLMs.. I don't want stuff handed to me. I want a challenge.

Aye its true tho a lot of whm's are stuck in the days of, Don't you have cnj 50? equip cure 3 and cure your self!!!

Also While i don't like the content i think they should force locked jobs in raids like they do in Hamlet defense. I also think a reason behind all the stacking is the constant flow of 8 man content i think once we have more content with like 16 ppl this will change.

[Malakii]

i am personally really annoyed about that. dont get me wrong i have also an own blm. (who hasnt these days since no one seeks other jobs!!!) cant remember in FFXI that so many people played BLM(!!) -.-
but i think a drg or mnk can also do some decent and good (constant!) damage.?

You can't remember every one seeking in FFXI for a full pt of blm cause everyone didn't have them. It was harder to level and right now it is easy. Leveling curve is suppose to increase alot in the upper levels so we will see when level cap comes. If so everyone wont do blm burn.

i am personally really annoyed about reading just "looking for blm... looking for blm.. seeking for whm"... there are only few classes which players used to play in raids over and over agin (black mager, white mage, warrior).. ah yeah and well brd for mp reg.

Turn off your shouts or make a pick up group your self where you can use different things. Instead of a full blm burn just because alot of people want to take advantage of having 7/7 weapons in the first week doesn't mean you have too.

seriously they need to adjust the classes/jobs. black mage needs a slightly nerf .. decrease its dmg slightly and also his mp costs in contrast to that. or make other classes more powerful?

Blm don't need to be adjusted, other jobs can dish plenty of dmg when used correctly. So it just a matter if others are using them. Blm is suppose to do high number of damage. As long as you can control your hate you shouldn't be punished because you're op.

[lordvr]

They could do the raid buffs like WoW and require a diverse party for full raid buffs.
This could easily be achieved with the current system with a minor tweak, even if not handing out buffs to individual classes in particular. Right now we require 8 members for the full party buff, instead, they could make it so that you require a party with a certain amount of job/class diversity. Thus, if you stack nothing but blm, you wouldn't get the the full hp/ accuracy buff, and dps /survivability would be gimped enough to discourage such tactics.

[Fortuna]

Is possible that many of you never player ff11 in his early days, but it was almost the same. BLM was the strongest dps in the game, beating any other jobs(specially if you knew how to nuke in skillchains) in dps, people stacked blm's in almost every event, making them the most popular job(you count find a Japanese without BLM leveled, believe me).

What happen when Tresures of aht urghan came out? SE punished BLM, no by nerfing it, oh no hahaha, by doing something much worse. They created monsters that resisted 90% magic damaged no matter how much mag acc you have, or could REFLECT nukes back and one shoot your party(I remember the first time someone used Firaga III on a collibri... oh god). Poor BLM was so useless pre-end game content thanks to changes SE did to the game, that people thinked you have mental problems if you invited a blm in a party to level up, BLM have the hardest path to lvl 75.

Did the game got balanced when BLM became useless in 90% of Tresure of Aht urghan content? hell no. SAM became the new dps KING, so guess what people did, stack Sam to no end, what this means? no matter what SE do, the class with the highest dps will become the next king.

[Nabiri]

Aye its true tho a lot of whm's are stuck in the days of, Don't you have cnj 50? equip cure 3 and cure your self!!!

WHM: Cure yourselves! What do I look like, a bloody healer?!?! *Looks down at WHM robes* Oh...

Also While i don't like the content i think they should force locked jobs in raids like they do in Hamlet defense. I also think a reason behind all the stacking is the constant flow of 8 man content i think once we have more content with like 16 ppl this will change.

I agree that jobs should be locked once in battle. That's the one thing I like about hamlet defense.
And, I hadn't thought of that.. Now I'm curious how people will change if alliances are added. :3 I really can't imagine someone sitting around in town forever trying to get 16 of the same job. lol

[Delsus]

Community or rather i'd say pickup groups doesn't want melee in most contents because most melees are known to be pretty damn stupid. They do not have any idea how to keep themselves alive, expect heals/esuna without bringing their own meds, wear full AF, alot of melee main DPSer are just infamous.

I seriously have no doubt, people that are whining are actually terrible players because like what Ruri Temari said, he played melee class few times, showed people how good he is, and he have no issue. If you are not terrible, people will not mind whichever class/jobs you goes.

I can kind of agree with this sentiment actually, when I was doing CC I insisted I was coming DRG, which the leader reluctantly agreed to as an I guess we can see, sort of thing, I will admit I did change to BLM for Chimera as a compromise, after we won the run one member who was parsing said I was in second place in the parse, needless to say after this there seemed to be no problems with me going in DRG and changing to BLM for Chimera.

I do have to say though, most of the time, if people insist on BLM onry, how will the subpar melee learn to play the jobs if they are stuck on BLM all the time, if they are stuck on BLM in a ls that wants to know your main job, so they can distribute drops fairly, they will not be able to gear the melee jobs because BLM will be their main, decent BLM gear will be highly competitive if the whole ls is forced to play BLM. It causes all sorts of problems.

It's on SE to encourage us to bring balanced pt's whether we get bosses that will change their weaknesses and invulnerabilities throughout the fight or giving balanced groups a buff for including different jobs in their pt's. Clever game mechanics could also work like needing a certain job to access a portal or even giving each job a small aura ability buff that doesn't stack.

Otherwise, why should one make content more challenging then it has to be?

This would be interesting to see and it could work very well, the problem is it would have to be a weakness/invulnerability change at specific HP percentages, if it was timed, I could see people again playing safe and all coming BLM/BRD and surviving to the next change, also if it was single resistances at once people will still stack BLM/BRD because BRD can attack during magic resistance and BLM can attack during projectile resistance.

SE can do something about it, but people always find ways to stack attacking at range.

Finally I like to see a challange, I hate easy mode, I haven't played a game on easy mode since I was 7, seems like the majority of the community still like easy mode games, playing easy mode (ie blm stack here) is no fun, and people on this game seem more interested in finding easy mode than any MMO I have played before, I never saw it in FFXI (while some jobs were prefered people let you go as anything, if you said you were going as a job people wouldn't argue they would just let you.) STO (well there are only 3 classes (6 if you include space and ground as different) on that, space: escort is DD, cruiser is tank and science is healer and buffer, ground: tactical = dd, engineer = tank and science = healer and buffer) so in STO you have to bring everything.

[Delsus]

Really? O.o That's an odd mentality for a healer. I've never heard of a WHM who didn't like (or even possibly refused??) to heal party members. But I come from FFXI...
I like healing people on WHM. o.o; Tank = #1 priority in a battle, and if anyone else is getting low they get healed next.

Just sounds like bad WHMs to me. :x
As if they only exist to heal the tank and just say "screw you" to everyone else. XD

In the good old days of classes, I have been told "ALL DDs must have second wind and cure set DDs need to be self sufficiant because the healer has to focus on the tank" now I can understand this to some degree, if a powerful AoE has just happened, DDs second wind and possibly a cure to get enough HP to live and save the mages MP, but the funny thing is, paticurlaly on Ifrit (the only content I really got to play LNC on) I would be healing myself that much, whether its alot of vulcan bursts, or while I was sorting my position out to avoid sears (getting hit by a few until my position was right) I could be riding my second wind recast and running out of MP to heal myself, but when I am at 1/2 HP because of some server lag on a bad timed eruption, I would not get one heal while the nails were up, to have a chance at surviving Hellfire, this is when second wind is on recast and cure on melees while being buffed now, still isn't enough to live.

After this its my fault I died because I should have healed myself.

[Duelle]

Stop twisting people's words. Do you know why there is complains when everyone wipes on primals upon winning, not enough time to raise? you know what would happen when everyone have a raise tunic? Oh everyone can suddenly get up and get their primals chest.

This is more an issue with how instances are designed and can most likely be corrected. Ideally someone rezzes outside, runs back inside the instance and begins raising people. Could also increase time available for looting once boss dies to make it easier to bear.

There are times when WHMs are silenced and you could use heal right away as a tank or party is gonna wipe, an elixir might just save your group an entire 20min.

This is bad in and of itself and should be corrected on the encounter's end, not on the party's end. Silence mechanics should be punishments for not paying attention during certain phases, or perhaps not moving to avoid something. Could do something like Ignis, who had an ability that would silence anyone in the raid casting any spell.

There are times when WHMs hate are tight (ex.chimera) and people that takes unncessary damage and possibly causing the party to wipe because they keep taking unncessary damage, Poison from Bad breath, Poison Sting from Chimera if you are meleeing (which you could then use Blood drops to cures the poison), because sometimes its just not possible to esuna everyone if alot of members are getting hit by poison.

The healer is there to heal. If removing status ailments and endurance are a problem, then that needs to be adjusted and status removal would need to be more convenient/easier to make it less of a problem for healers. As far as hate, that should probably be looked at too.