Black Mage - the solution for everything?

[Murugan]

If these melee are so stupid, why is it okay to take them on blm? its the same player, they're just as stupid.... I think stupid players should be made to learn, but BLM is so easy that even stupid people can do it just fine? That's what I'm taking from that post, and I'm not okay with that. lol

Because BLM is the easiest job to play since archer. It is entirely gear dependent, without decent gear a BLM is average dmg and should be out damaged by any decent melee even a WAR DD, but any moron should be able to figure out how to use the lightning combo.

Also I got a good laugh out of Chardrizard claiming that melee need melds and medicine to "avoid infamy" and be useful over a black mage... no, they just need to know how to play their job and make full use of the majority of their abilities (unlike BLM who when doing straight damage will use actually very few of their abilities).

[Chardrizard]

Also I got a good laugh out of Chardrizard claiming that melee need melds and medicine to "avoid infamy" and be useful over a black mage... no, they just need to know how to play their job and make full use of the majority of their abilities (unlike BLM who when doing straight damage will use actually very few of their abilities).

It's not about being better geared, it is about attitude. People that are well prepared are usually better players, the one that strive for the group wins. The one that doesn't rely on anyone, the one that knows how to pop elixir when in times of needs.

If they are main "insert class", it is easier to judge when they know how gear themselves up. We're talking about pickup parties here, everyone have their doubts.

[DeadRiser]

It's not about being better geared, it is about attitude. People that are well prepared are usually better players, the one that strive for the group wins. The one that doesn't rely on anyone, the one that knows how to pop elixir when in times of needs.

If they are main "insert class", it is easier to judge when they know how gear themselves up. We're talking about pickup parties here, everyone have their doubts.

So the point of jobs is party play. Healers heal whoever needs it and DD's damage deal. Now it's different because we have medicine?

THAT's where all this sh*t is happening. Healers don't want to heal dd's and black mage is the easiest job on the planet. Something needs to be changed not only with the game but with the community.

[Chardrizard]

So the point of jobs is party play. Healers heal whoever needs it and DD's damage deal. Now it's different because we have medicine?

THAT's where all this sh*t is happening. Healers don't want to heal dd's and black mage is the easiest job on the planet. Something needs to be changed not only with the game but with the community.

Stop twisting people's words. Do you know why there is complains when everyone wipes on primals upon winning, not enough time to raise? you know what would happen when everyone have a raise tunic? Oh everyone can suddenly get up and get their primals chest.

There are times when WHMs are silenced and you could use heal right away as a tank or party is gonna wipe, an elixir might just save your group an entire 20min.

There are times when WHMs hate are tight (ex.chimera) and people that takes unncessary damage and possibly causing the party to wipe because they keep taking unncessary damage, Poison from Bad breath, Poison Sting from Chimera if you are meleeing (which you could then use Blood drops to cures the poison), because sometimes its just not possible to esuna everyone if alot of members are getting hit by poison.

This situations will occur one way or another and a well prepared player might just saves an entire run.

[darkstarpoet1]

If these melee are so stupid, why is it okay to take them on blm? its the same player, they're just as stupid.... I think stupid players should be made to learn, but BLM is so easy that even stupid people can do it just fine? That's what I'm taking from that post, and I'm not okay with that. lol

well what do you expect when yoshi's idea of a fun combo is fire<fire<fire or lightning<lightning<lightning.

it's easier for a bad mele player to not take as much damage on a blm because the class has been taken to easy mode by yoshi's changes and any idiot can figure out how to use the same spell over and over again without worrying about positioning and directions for their combo's. if anyone is to blame for the blm's being stacked like they are now look no farther than the group that made the class changes.

[Murugan]

well what do you expect when yoshi's idea of a fun combo is fire<fire<fire or lightning<lightning<lightning.

it's easier for a bad mele player to not take as much damage on a blm because the class has been taken to easy mode by yoshi's changes and any idiot can figure out how to use the same spell over and over again without worrying about positioning and directions for their combo's. if anyone is to blame for the blm's being stacked like they are now look no farther than the group that made the class changes.

Yeah it was soooo much harder using shadowsear. lol

[darkstarpoet1]

Yeah it was soooo much harder using shadowsear. lol

well let's see the choices on what to not only put on your bar, but what to cast was alot more complex than that one spell. it was a nice try on your behalf though.

before your choices
banish
scourge
bio
dia
siphon hp
siphon tp
shadowsear
flashfreeze
poison
slow
drain
siphon mp
sacrifice
shell
protect
shock spikes
second wnd
sleep
and many many others used most big fights

now after the changes
fire
lightning
convert
sanguine rite
second wind
sleep

i'm saying there was actually a level of complexity before that the changes that removed the vast majority of them to the point a bad mele that keeps dying can jump on it and be twice as effective as it was as the mele class. sure, it will be nowhere near as effective as someone that actually plays the class normally, but if they are not dying and doing damage they are at least a help to the party and not a hinderance to it.

yes, a good mele is just as effective as a good blm, but with today's age of rampant power leveling it's just easier to make a pickup party and only ask for that class since you take the smallest amount of risk.

[Ruri]

If a player isn't doing well for melee, usually they arent great with blm also. That is true. But it just seems easier to get by as a bad mage than a bad melee atm.

[Peptaru]

As I said before, I'm not okay with it. I know why and how it happens, but I took/take issue with the fact that people are totally okay with it. Don't be okay with it! Make the stupid people learn!

[Airget]

I'd say be patient odds are the battle system is still being worked on, so the reason why BLM looks so good is because it's only based on the combo system. However once we do get a skillchain system which will most likely only involve melee skills, odds are a combination of classes will be shown as more effective rather then throwing the same class at it.