Echo VS Blessing Of Light

[Cleretic]

So. I just hit a point in Endwalker with SPOILERS below.

After you first meet venat in elpis she says she senses a traveler's protection ward of her own making on you. I think the echo doesn't naturally convey protection against primal tempering, I think it's just at the same time you hear 'hear, feel, think' you end up getting her to pass that much onto you no matter what. She might give -more- than that as well to certain people, but the warding against tempering she gives to literally everyone with the echo.

Yeah, this actually really annoys me, because it's the game contradicting itself. In fact, it torpedoes an entire expansion finale, and then some, by saying it.

Specifically, it mangles the Resonant. The Resonant is explicitly an artificial Echo, the best example we have of an Echo without a blessing--because we can reason that Zenos is too horrible a person to be granted it, and Misija didn't give herself enough time to earn it (Fordola having the Blessing I could buy, but isn't confirmed). And all three of them use it to protect from tempering; Zenos against Shinryu, Fordola against first Lakshmi and later other Eorzean standard primals, and Misija against Queen Gunnhildr. Indeed, Misija outright says that this is the reason she's shooting for the Resonance.

So either we ruin the Resonance by messing up the one thing all three of them have in common, or we destroy Hydaelyn's capability in judging a person's character. And I feel like we're supposed to hold that second one high.

[MirronTulaxia]

I think… this is just in the long run going to be something they’ll need to explain. It’s just too inconsistent really.

[shadowclasper]

Yeah, this actually really annoys me, because it's the game contradicting itself. In fact, it torpedoes an entire expansion finale, and then some, by saying it.

Specifically, it mangles the Resonant. The Resonant is explicitly an artificial Echo, the best example we have of an Echo without a blessing--because we can reason that Zenos is too horrible a person to be granted it, and Misija didn't give herself enough time to earn it (Fordola having the Blessing I could buy, but isn't confirmed). And all three of them use it to protect from tempering; Zenos against Shinryu, Fordola against first Lakshmi and later other Eorzean standard primals, and Misija against Queen Gunnhildr. Indeed, Misija outright says that this is the reason she's shooting for the Resonance.

So either we ruin the Resonance by messing up the one thing all three of them have in common, or we destroy Hydaelyn's capability in judging a person's character. And I feel like we're supposed to hold that second one high.

I think I have an answer even to that, but they really do need to address it.

I don't think it is entirely contradictory. I think that the whole 'push energy into us' part of the blessing of light is granted only to her champions, but everyone else is, full stop, granted the protection from primals, because the whole 'prevent your aether from being disrupted' I'm willing to bet -also- protects you from dynamis shoving your aether out of your body and morphing you into a monster, since the whole point of the warding spell is to prevent your aether from being depleted or directly manipulated by outside forces.

It doesn't matter how evil you are if that's the -actual- purpose of the anti-primal defense of the blessing of light. Because Hydaelen doesn't -care- about you as a moral human being, she's gonna assume you're not interested in the world ending regardless of your moral stance and put it on autopilot along with the vision granted to everyone who activates their echo.

[RyuDragnier]

Yeah, this actually really annoys me, because it's the game contradicting itself. In fact, it torpedoes an entire expansion finale, and then some, by saying it.

Specifically, it mangles the Resonant. The Resonant is explicitly an artificial Echo, the best example we have of an Echo without a blessing--because we can reason that Zenos is too horrible a person to be granted it, and Misija didn't give herself enough time to earn it (Fordola having the Blessing I could buy, but isn't confirmed). And all three of them use it to protect from tempering; Zenos against Shinryu, Fordola against first Lakshmi and later other Eorzean standard primals, and Misija against Queen Gunnhildr. Indeed, Misija outright says that this is the reason she's shooting for the Resonance.

So either we ruin the Resonance by messing up the one thing all three of them have in common, or we destroy Hydaelyn's capability in judging a person's character. And I feel like we're supposed to hold that second one high.

Doesn't really mangle anything IMO.

The Echo itself, and its artificial form, Resonant, both give the user access to power they would have had as an Ancient. In both cases, this means strengthening their Aether, and thus increasing the resilience against tempering, which is a form of Aether corruption. The only difference is that the Echo is obtained naturally, and the Resonant is unnaturally obtained.

[Necrotica]

Wonder if they will bring up the concern of Zodiark tempering us. Or just ignore it.

[manamoppet]

Wonder if they will bring up the concern of Zodiark tempering us. Or just ignore it.

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After the battle with Zodiark and some other cutscenes when you meet together and you get to take a rest in your room, there is a prompt to select a guest which comes to check on you (similar to in the final role quest in ShB). Selecting Y'shtola gives a cutscene where she inspect your aether for changes, but find that you're fine after experiencing the great forces of Zodiark.

So we're not tempered by Zodiark.

[Sensyon]

Is there anyway the ability to avoid tempering can come from either source? Like, I know the Blessing of Light and the Echo are two different things, but is it possible that the two abilities have an overlapping “anti-tempering” effect? Where one can avoid tempering from the Echo abilities the protection and imprinting the Blessing provides?

[Rookie1]

Is there anyway the ability to avoid tempering can come from either source? Like, I know the Blessing of Light and the Echo are two different things, but is it possible that the two abilities have an overlapping “anti-tempering” effect? Where one can avoid tempering from the Echo abilities the protection and imprinting the Blessing provides?

I suppose it's possible that protection from tempering is an overlapping ability. It would certainly have it's limits. As was explained to us in the 5.x patches that tempering is a kind of rebalancing of one's aether. Whatever protects you from tempering must protect the person's aether from outside aetheric influence. But if that influence is too strong then it should be possible to overwhelm that protection.

It's just we have no reason to think the echo is any kind of shield. Unlike in the ultima fight when Laheebrea tells gaius that we are protected by the blessing. And he broke that shield with the ultima attack

[Riastrad]

I remember saying this a few years ago and received less than favorable replies.
Little victories and all that.

[shadowclasper]

it might be a case of not all B is A, but all A is B.

I find it unlikely that anybody could get the blessing of light without first having the Echo, at least, we've seen nothing related to it.

It could be considered superfluous to refer to the Echo when you also have the Blessing of Light?