Echo VS Blessing Of Light

[Necrotica]

Thought this was settled but 2 seconds in to endwalker and Allisae says the Blessing of Light prevents tempering.

Thought that was the echo.

WTF is going on?

She also seems to imply that Fordola has the blessing of light.

[Rosenstrauch]

Having only played up to the end of the first dungeon, I can't say if this is actually going anywhere or not. But you're correct. From the very beginning of the game all the way up to patch 5.5, resistance to tempering was attributed to the Echo. We've had moments that shed light on just how effective that resistance actually is, but never a refutation or reveal that it's wrong.

Endwalker spoilers

It isn't a one-off transcription or localization error. Every time the WoL's resistance to tempering comes up in Endwalker, at least all the way up to the end of the first dungeon (Tower of Zot), characters both attribute this resistance to the blessing of Light and speak as if it were always believed to be the case. There is no mention of the Echo at all in these cases.

So unless someone bungled the script big time and it somehow made it past editing, this feels like retroactive continuity—a retcon.

[symbiote129]

yo, for real, i was like wondering when some uttered "how well your blessing shields" instead of the Echo. Uh...devs pls look into this.

[Veloran]

The Echo and the Blessing of Light both prevent tempering and frankly I'm confused as to why anybody believes differently.

[Rookie1]

But we still had things to learn from early on. I believe in shb we've accepted that the echo is something inherent to all reincarnated ancient souls. Aether has memory and the echo is an ability to let you see into that memory.
The blessing is a defense...how it works i don't know. But I don't see how the echo prevents tempering. tempering being a rebalancing of aether

[Nayukhuut]

We learned that the Echo is a thing that's natural to reincarnated souls, but earlier in the game, especially in ARR, they considered the echo as something that was awakened/given by Hydaelyn. This whole Blessing of Light thing could be a fallback to that, since for the longest time that's what we thought the echo was. A blessing given to us from Her. As it stands, a lot of characters don't know about the Ancients, so prolly still believe that.

[Rookie1]

On the other hand...other people like fordola can shield people from tempering and that is attributed to a stolen echo.
however the echo is for seeing into the memory of aether. so how can she use it to see the future?

[symbiote129]

Maybe, I'm just overreacting at the dialogue and need to calmly analyze it again.

[Cleretic]

On the other hand...other people like fordola can shield people from tempering and that is attributed to a stolen echo.
however the echo is for seeing into the memory of aether. so how can she use it to see the future?

The Echo is basically a fragment of skills that Ancient souls had nearly the whole palate of. Fordola has the same facet of it Krile has, to see aetheric traces and trails. For Fordola that manifested as being able to foresee attacks, because she could basically see where someone was 'aiming' before they let loose. There are people with the Echo that actually do the ability to see the future (most notably Mikoto of the Ivalice and Bozja storylines), but not everyone can.

And on the subject of the actual topic title: yeah, I'm legit mad that they seemed to go back on this. I did a whole video on the what Blessing of Light is and isn't, and they've been consistent about 'it's not the Echo' for years. C'mon, guys, don't double back on that and pretend it's not at this stage, it's frustrating and makes me lose faith in the story right when I should be completely bought in!

I'd say that it might be a factor of 'talking to people who don't know The Truth', because it comes up rather prominently in Thavnair... but the Scions themselves bungle this, and they of all people shouldn't!

[shadowclasper]

correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't it more or less been established that the echo and the blessing of light are more or less the same thing? You can't have one without the other (unless you're an ascian), because to ACTIVATE the echo you have to be exposed to a meteor shower that wakes up your previous cycle of incarnations memory of the ancient world's end of days.

Which in turn opens you up to hearing the "HEAR! THINK! FEEL!" of Hydaelen that she uses to contact you.

I remember it specifically being a fairly big deal that Hydaelen wasn't personally contacting every single Echo-bearer but just had a message running on repeat all the time to catch literally anybody who awoke their echo, implying that she never -actually- gave her blessing of light.

Question? Did we have any echo-memory events during the time period where the blessing of light was being suppressed by Midgardsomr? I think we had a few involving lady ice heart but I'm not -positive-.

Cause if we didn't have any echo-visions during that entire period... it'd kinda underline the idea that the echo and the blessing of light where two names for essentially the same thing, only with different wave lengths for different folks. Asskicking being one of them, and Visions of the future, reading people's emotions, perfect communication being another.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ystal-of-Light

Also brings this up, even Krile has the blessing of light.

In fact, if we want to get technical, I think the only people who don't have 'the blessing of light' are the Ascians (who are explicitly fighting against Hydalaen), and the Hypertuned (who have an artificial echo in the first place), and then there's the Sahagin, who didn't have the blessing of light of course, but then, was that sahagin tempered BEFORE he activated his own echo? Or that the Sahagin didn't just claim that he doesn't have the blessing of light cause he worships Leviathan not hydaelen? It feels like the Echo is the universal term, and the Blessing of Light is used as a term for those who side with Hydaelen's goals specifically.

And I'm not actually convinced that the blessing of the light is hydalaen doing jack through you, or empowering you. If anything, Hydaelen has -one- power, and that is sundering things. She can break stuff down, weaken it by dividing it, which really tracks with what she does.

Even the -buff- that empowers us in dungeons is called 'the echo' and has been since the earliest days of the game, but what it -does- sounds a lot more like what you've described as the blessing of light. If anything, the Echo is literally you remembering how to do shit as the ancients did, back in Amurot. Your amazing feats are you remembering how to reality warp.