Level 70 Sage rotation?

[Rilifane]

1 gcd vs 1 gcd is the comparison I made. If I was simply using Eukrasian Diagnosis to then use Toxikon sure that would be inefficient however I am using the shield anyway and already have the addersting charges so why would I cast Dykrasia for less? To assume I said alternating Ediagnosis and Toxikon is a dps gain is sort of bizarre when one isn't a dps skill at all.

But why do you need so many shields?
As I said, it's important to consider how you even build it up and to build of Toxikon, you need a GCD of doing no damage at all. And I still wonder why you even have to shield so much in the first place that you regulary use EDiagnosis anyway? Sage has a really strong toolkit.
I've spammed my Sage to 80+ with ShB leveling dungeons and the wall to walls were a joke even if a tank didn't nail cycling their mitigation.
Haima + Kerachole is basically an invuln for the tank for 15s, keeps the Addersgall running and you get one back right after it ran out.
Physis II + Taurochole means more gain from Taurochole and lower damage on the tank while the regen ticks.
And there's still Soteria and more Addersgall stacks. That's just the fresh 70 kit, with Rhizomata (boring as it is), Holos, Kerachole trait, Panhaima, Krasis, increased Kardia potency and Pneuma I just don't see why you would constantly need so much GCD shielding that Toxikon is again because "you're shielding anyway".

Sage is a new class and it takes some time getting used to all those buttons, so shielding for comfort while learning the class is good to minimize pointless wipes but the toolkit is incredibly strong in dungeons and not just close to max level or at max level.

Toxikon will hopefully get a rework because EDiagnosis as the only way to get Addersting and with such a low damage return makes it a mechanic that's best to ignore. But the rest of the toolkit? Damn.

[Vivix]

Idk I ended up running Holminster a few times due to many low lvl reapers in queue for example and there were 10+ mobs in some pulls. I played Diurnal AST prior so it made sense to keep a shield on the tank like I kept regen on them as AST. After applying dots to the bigger mobs and using charges of Phlegma before anything else I used Toxikon on whatever was left and spammed Dosis with 2 or less mobs remaining. There were few times where enough mobs and time was left to spam Dyskrasia. It felt like scathe to me where I'd try to avoid being in situations where I should use it.

[ScarecrowJames]

Wish I can tell you but I'm still in q. RIP

I recommend playing with trust 70+ for sage and even Reaper. Good way to learn how to play the classes with the que troubles atm.

[Rilifane]

Idk I ended up running Holminster a few times due to many low lvl reapers in queue for example and there were 10+ mobs in some pulls. I played Diurnal AST prior so it made sense to keep a shield on the tank like I kept regen on them as AST. After applying dots to the bigger mobs and using charges of Phlegma before anything else I used Toxikon on whatever was left and spammed Dosis with 2 or less mobs remaining. There were few times where enough mobs and time was left to spam Dyskrasia. It felt like scathe to me where I'd try to avoid being in situations where I should use it.

Keeping up regens makes sense if someone keeps taking damage and they constantly suffer a HP loss that guarantees ticks don't overheal but GCD regens are more of a last resort than bread and butter in all situations. Keeping up shields makes no sense, though, as they're just a preemptive heal and usually have lower potency than direct heals. Unless it's to prevent a one shot, they're inferior to direct heals and regens.
When it comes to heal potency alone, EDiagnosis is even weaker than Druochole below 85 because it's on the GCD which means you lose the 130 free heal from Kardia in addition to the damage. And it's a lot weaker than Taurochole. At 85 it's roughly equal to Druochole in terms of heal potency alone but still on the GCD and a dps loss that can easily be avoided by using other tools.
The most effective way to heal on any healer is cycling oGCDs, not keeping GCD effects such as Asp. Benefic or EDiagnosis up. Worst case, a paper tank takes more than oGCDs on their own can cover but then you have e.g. the regen from Physis I/II as an addional heal.
In all ShB leveling dungeons every tank pulled wall to wall and healing was comfortable without resorting to GCDs; no matter how Dyskrasia feels, it's weaker in practice because of the fall off. The damage on the first target may look nice, but it's still weaker than Dyskrasia and spamming Dyskrasia means constant Kardia heals. Every GCD heal makes you miss out on 130/ 170 potency free healing, more during Soteria. Sage is even more encouraged to cycle oGCDs properly.

[Vivix]

Thanks for going in depth. I am new to shield healers but also in that other mmo I come from healing is mainly from gcds and cooldowns were generally reserved for boss mechanics or mistakes. I probably need to take another look at all the potencies again.

[Rilifane]

That's probably the most common mistake people make that healed in other MMOs and came over to FFXIV, myself included. I never used Benediction on WHM in most runs because I thought I had to save it for when someone is about to die. Cooldowns were often longer in other games than here, constant healing was necessary and GCD heals were bread and butter. FFXIV has a completely different approach with its focus on dps for all roles and the vast oGCD toolkit tanks and healers have to mitigate and heal incoming damage. And cooldowns like 60s are nothing. Even 120s is much less than it sounds.
It helps thinking of oGCDs as the standard way to heal and GCDs as the "oh shit" buttons to fall back on when things go south.
But it's good that you're open to suggestions and willing to look at the skills again, not often someone does it. Even if it feels strange at first, you'll get used to it with practice and you're in no rush to suddenly let oGCDs do everything. Just using them more freely and frequently with each run and watching how it affects healing is already a huge improvement.

[Maxilor]

This is the sole reason why I think Toxicon is a joke. The closest action in term of functionality imho would be WHM’s Afflatus Misery, but even weaker than that unfortunately.

Toxicon is a poor man’s Afflatus Misery. The only time it could be a gain is if the shield was applied during downtime or between pulls where there’s literally no Dyskrasia/Dosis cast to lose.

This is my main gripe with SGE atm. Toxicon just feels like a complete waste of time outside of needing heavy movement.

It feels like something you should build up to, but often times just spamming Dosis and Phlegma while using all your OGCDs is more than enough.

I'm only 72 atm though so maybe it will become clearer later but Toxicon just seems all flash no substance.

[rewd]

This is my main gripe with SGE atm. Toxicon just feels like a complete waste of time outside of needing heavy movement.

It feels like something you should build up to, but often times just spamming Dosis and Phlegma while using all your OGCDs is more than enough.

I'm only 72 atm though so maybe it will become clearer later but Toxicon just seems all flash no substance.

It doesn't change later on. Toxicon is SGE's equivalent to Ruin II, pretty much.

[Maxilor]

It doesn't change later on. Toxicon is SGE's equivalent to Ruin II, pretty much.

So much like Ruin II outside of needing to move, it's useless now with the lower cast speed on Dosis?

[Teno]

This is my main gripe with SGE atm. Toxicon just feels like a complete waste of time outside of needing heavy movement.

It feels like something you should build up to, but often times just spamming Dosis and Phlegma while using all your OGCDs is more than enough.

I'm only 72 atm though so maybe it will become clearer later but Toxicon just seems all flash no substance.

I don't mind that it's a tool for moving around, but I find it a bit sad that addersting ends up so underused compared to addersgall as a resource.