Lets have class only abilities and spells

[Kiote]

You people are so closed minded it's painful. What purpose would removing Classes serve? How would that improve the game in any way?

Classes give the ability to create Solo Content. Jobs give the ability to maximize your potential in a single party role. It allows players to have more play style options without degrading either play style. Classes do not hurt jobs in any way. There is no downside to having both.

This is like people Claiming that we should have nothing but instanced raids even though some people want non-instanced content. There is no down side to having both. It is just more stuff in the game.

[Jinko]

You people are so closed minded it's painful. What purpose would removing Classes serve? How would that improve the game in any way?

Classes give the ability to create Solo Content. Jobs give the ability to maximize your potential in a single party role. It allows players to have more play style options without degrading either play style. Classes do not hurt jobs in any way. There is no downside to having both.

This is like people Claiming that we should have nothing but instanced raids even though some people want non-instanced content. There is no down side to having both. It is just more stuff in the game.

There is very little point to having classes at the same time, you are just saying lets keep them because they are in the game.

I would rather SE remove them and work on maximising roles, lets not forget that having multiple classes as well as jobs tacked on is just asking for balancing issues later on when the level cap raises.

Part of me likes the idea that one class can have multiple jobs, but then i think about it for a minute and realise that a separate job of its own would be much more unique and easier to balance.

You may think that's close minded I just think its being objective.

[Kiote]

I would rather SE remove them and work on maximising roles, lets not forget that having multiple classes as well as jobs tacked on is just asking for balancing issues later on when the level cap raises.

There is quite literally nothing to support this allegation.

If content is designed to Solo or a Small group it will be balanced for Classes. People will have to take more responsibility for their own survival.

If content is designed for Full Parties or, god willing, alliances it will be balanced for Jobs. Having two different ways to play will not effect the balancing of content at all.

As far as future abilities are concerned, they have to balance for cross classing skills with Jobs anyway. Having to do it with classes simultaneously will not make a difference.

Classes are for people who don't like being told how to play. Jobs are for people who want a predefined role. You don't alienate one group to satisfy another. That only leads to a smaller target audience.

[Jinko]

Classes are for people who don't like being told how to play. Jobs are for people who want a predefined role. You don't alienate one group to satisfy another. That only leads to a smaller target audience.

You mean like all the other countless MMO's out there that alienate people based on a forced role ?

The only reason they would alienate people now is because nobody likes change, as I said previously the reason why Yoshi didn't remove classes from day one was probably due to backslash from the community.

It's a known fact that FF fans don't take change very well.

[Kiote]

You mean like all the other countless MMO's out there that alienate people based on a forced role?

That is exactly right. There is a large number of Gamer's who do not play MMO's because they cannot play the way they want to. MMO's have always been overly restrictive. FFXI was a hit because you could play every way without starting over. The current class system build on that and draws in a larger Fan Base. This is especially true of the Final Fantasy fan base who has grown used to being able to develop character in any direction they want.

Final Fantasy has not been a game with forced Roles for a very long time.

[Elexia]

It's a known fact that FF fans don't take change very well.

You mean human's don't take change well, you yourself said you played WoW so I don't see why you single out FF fans.

[DeadRiser]

But with classes everyone still equips the same abilities. No one cross classes actions.

Cure
Raise
Stoneskin
Protect
Invigorate
Keen Flurry
Chameleon
Featherfoot
Forseight

I don't see how classes can let you play everything when there are only so many things you can equip without gimping yourself. I don't care if people don't like my opinion. I say get rid of classes and just keep jobs. I mean with jobs, people still equip the same 5 things according to their class.

[Kiote]

Cure
Raise
Stoneskin
Protect
Invigorate
Keen Flurry
Chameleon
Featherfoot
Forseight

You forgot

Provoke
Rampart
Sentinel
Sanguine Rite
Overpower
Feint
Second Wind
Blood for Blood
and Quelling Strike

Just because you only equip the same 5 skill on every job, doesn't mean everyone only equips those skills. There are more ways to play than just your way. You should try experimenting some time.

[Jynx]

Lets have class only abilities and spells.

So...doesn't this defeat the entire purpose of the class/job system?

You don't alienate one group to satisfy another.

Wise man once said: If you chase two rabbits they will both get away.

[Jinko]

Come on Kiote, that sounds awesome down on paper but we know thats not the case.

If it were, you mind explaining WoW to me and the mountains of casuals who play that game, last time I checked the classes in that game were set in concrete.

It's kind of pointless arguing this anyway, I don't like classes its simple, I see no purpose for them, you think differently obviously, so lets just agree to disagree cause neither of us will change the others opinion.