Lets have class only abilities and spells

[Halvaard_Vidan]

I don't see anyone using classes at all because jobs give you a bigger advantage even solo.

Try soloing as Bard, then switch to Archer, it's significantly easier.
Assuming you have Bloodbath, Cure, Protect, Stoneskin...

[Soukyuu]

Try soloing as Bard, then switch to Archer, it's significantly easier.
Assuming you have Bloodbath, Cure, Protect, Stoneskin...

I can't really say much about bard because I don't play this class beyond tryign to bring it to lv50.

All I can say is, I don't really miss PGL after switching to MNK. The damage you will be dealing with additional combos reduces the damage you take because well, you kill mobs faster. Not saying it will completely balance it out, but the difference isn't much unless you try to tank many mobs at the same time which you shouldn't do when you solo (unless you're WAR... damn killing machines)

[Denmo]

I can't really say much about bard because I don't play this class beyond tryign to bring it to lv50.

All I can say is, I don't really miss PGL after switching to MNK. The damage you will be dealing with additional combos reduces the damage you take because well, you kill mobs faster. Not saying it will completely balance it out, but the difference isn't much unless you try to tank many mobs at the same time which you shouldn't do when you solo (unless you're WAR... damn killing machines)

You're basing your entire opinion of "Job = Better at everything" only by how Monk plays?

Wait a second. It could be just me, but does everyone in this topic arguing against classes play mostly MNK, WAR, and/or DRG?

because that'd make sense.

[SionDurant]

They should just decide what they want to keep. It's either jobs or classes.
The "class for solo, job for party"-idea is a failure, I don't see anyone using classes at all because jobs give you a bigger advantage even solo.

Not sure you even play XIV. Plenty of classes give higher advantages than Jobs. Ask any PLD, MRD, THM who actually experience this game every day.

You're right about one thing, the idea is a failure, should just be that a job works in either case. It's supposed to be a heroic embodiment in the FF verse.

[Soukyuu]

You're basing your entire opinion of "Job = Better at everything" only by how Monk plays?

And WHM. About the only thing I miss as WHM is Chameleon.

I don't see anything wrong with my point, because I'm merely stating how it looks like from my perspective - from the classes that I play. You state yours. Nothing wrong with that.

Not sure you even play XIV.

Sure I do. We partied at raptors some days ago. And I'm in one of the LS you are in, too. I'm just quiet.

Plenty of classes give higher advantages than Jobs. Ask any PLD, MRD, THM who actually experience this game every day.

MRD/THM surely experience the game every day. PLD not so much (maybe GLA), just like MNK and DRG, courtesy of our great community mostly stacking THM/BLM.

I don't see THM needing many cross class skills since they're so squishy. Sure, you can use second wind and cure + SS, but if you draw hate, it won't save you. By the time you finish casting cure/SS, not counting a big chance you get interrupted, you'll lose more HP for it to make a big difference. About the only thing that really saves you is chameleon, but you get that with BLM too, and BLM also gets convert, that potentially gives you a second HP bar...

GLA has an advantage over PLD because you get access to MRD skills, but that's because PLD needs adjustments badly, so you can't really bring that argument.

MRD? Not sure. WARs don't seem to have any problems surviving.

You're right about one thing, the idea is a failure, should just be that a job works in either case. It's supposed to be a heroic embodiment in the FF verse.

Well at least we agree that it's a failure.

To everyone making a case for CNJ cross skills, do you keep in mind that CNJ's versions are much more potent than what you get cross class? SS loses about a third (if not half, don't remember) of it's protection and you don't get Cura cross class either.

[Jinko]

I don't see anything wrong with my point, because I'm merely stating how it looks like from my perspective - from the classes that I play. You state yours. Nothing wrong with that.

This, people on here seem to get so offended that other people think differently to them.

Just accept that people have different opinions guys and leave it at that, you don't have to argue this stuff into the ground.

[sorahitoshi]

They should just decide what they want to keep. It's either jobs or classes.
The "class for solo, job for party"-idea is a failure, I don't see anyone using classes at all because jobs give you a bigger advantage even solo.

I agree should just keep jobs and lose class

[Raistlin]

just change 5 skills from class to exclusive to that class, and add 5 new skills per job.

for example:

5 skills changed from GLA to DPS style, and add 5 tank skills to PLD.
5 skills changed from THM to Debuff, and add 5 DPS skills to BLM.
5 skills changed from CNJ to DPS, and add 5 Healer skills to WHM
5 skills changed from ARC to DPS, and add 5 support skills to BRD

etc etc

[DNO]

the job system is awesome the way it is. Classes can use abilites that jobs can not and thats the difference.

[Onidemon]

the job system is awesome the way it is. Classes can use abilites that jobs can not and thats the difference.

I agree with you but Job out perform classes in parties and since all end game content is group based, where does that leave classes?