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  1. #251
    Player
    Rannie's Avatar
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    Rannie Lfey
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    Faerie
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    赤魔道士 Lv 100
    Some one like moose or a pre ARR release player correct me if I'm misremembering but wasn't it explained at one point or hinted at pre launch of ARR that the Limit breaks were that but they had to change it due to lore reasons?!

    Ie they were giving away something before time? I'm kinda hoping I'm misremembering that from back then.
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    2021/12/18 16:37; Rannie が最後に編集
    I have a secret to tell. From my electrical well. It's a simple message and I'm leaving out the whistles and bells. So the room must listen to me Filibuster vigilantly. My name is blue canary one note* spelled l-i-t-e. My story's infinite Like the Longines Symphonette it doesn't rest- TMBG Birdhouse in your Soul
    A huge THANK YOU!!!! For FINALLY selling the Meteor Survivor Polo on the store. AND a huge thanks to my friend who bought it for me while he was at Fan Fest!!! YES I finally have my POLO!!!

  2. #252
    Player
    Rosenstrauch's Avatar
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    2015/05/30
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    Valnain
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    Wind-up Antecedent
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    Zalera
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    双剣士 Lv 100
    So, a funny thought came to me. Back in 5.4, right after emerging from the Kobold place, Alphinaud asked/declared "Is that a Garlean tower?".

    Given that they were extensions of the primal Anima, created using the desecrated corpse of Varis zos Galvus, Alphinaud was correct in the most disturbingly literal fashion.
    (6)

  3. #253
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    Cleretic's Avatar
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    2021/09/01
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    Solution Eight (it's not as good)
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    Ein Dose
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    Mateus
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    錬金術師 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Rosenstrauch 投稿を閲覧
    So, a funny thought came to me. Back in 5.4, right after emerging from the Kobold place, Alphinaud asked/declared "Is that a Garlean tower?".

    Given that they were extensions of the primal Anima, created using the desecrated corpse of Varis zos Galvus, Alphinaud was correct in the most disturbingly literal fashion.
    Other parts of 5.4 confirmed that the tower does look like it's of Garlean construction, which confused players because to them, it looked more like Mhachi design.

    It actually didn't if comparing them close-up, you could tell that the paneling and construction was different if you compared them to the pyramid in Mhach, and getting a better look at the Tower of Zot you could definitely tell that it's bastardized Garlean construction. The meat parts aren't Garlean, of course, but the metal parts look like their work.
    (0)

  4. #254
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    dragonflie's Avatar
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    2013/09/02
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    Uldah
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    Varsir Ishtear
    World
    Gilgamesh
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    格闘士 Lv 100
    Some after thoughts:

    With Zodiark's death and all the sacrificed Ancient going back into the aetherial sea, at some point they are going to be reborn, and and likely keep their creation powers since those sacrificed were not really sundered I think. So down the line, you are gonna have a bunch of characters able to act like gods again. It's probably not something the game will explore down the line, but still food for thought.

    The whole time shenanigan. G'raha's original timeline is now an oddity, cause if we caused a time loop to happen, then G'raha's future should have never happened in the first place, yet it needed to in order to save the first. Cause if we died in G'raha's timeline, then the time loop wouldn't have happened, and Venat might have never caused the sundering (unless she had already decided on it, even without meeting us).
    (6)
    The rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it..

  5. 2021/12/19 17:36

  6. #255
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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    2014/05/18
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    The Interdimensional Rift
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Excalibur
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    機工士 Lv 100
    So I deleted my front page post. I'd started writing it up, but had to stop, and when I re-read it I couldn't get in line with what I was thinking when I started writing.

    I'm still not sure I've fully digested the story, even though I finished it a week and a half ago. I'm going to try to write up a review tonight, in this post. It's probably going to be messy. I'm also still sick, but back to work now... and seriously considering phoning it in on this job of mine, and looking for something else. *sigh*


    So overall, I very much enjoyed Endwalker. For as much crap as I talk here on the forum, and as combative as I can be about certain characters and plot points and philosophical conundrums brought about by them, I'm not hard to please. The action, excitment, MUSIC, misdirection, and unique tomfoolery was all very much enjoyed. Even if some bits of it(stealth missions) caused veins to bulge in my temples and forehead.

    That said, there was a constant feeling where it felt as though the writers themselves were slapping me in the face sort of like, "Yeah, it's happening like this. Deal with it." Elements most strong in this feeling were the almost immediate conflation with the Blessing of Light and the Echo. I guess it was supposed to draw our attention to the fact that we have it, but it seemed to just say that the cast of Scions still don't distinguish between it and the Echo/Resonance... they referred to Fordola and Arenvald as having it when as far as we know, they don't. The time travel for fan service. The nothingburger fake drama that turned out to be every arc in Sharlayan. I could go further into this, but idk, it'll become way too much of a tangent.

    Endwalker's misdirection certainly worked on me. By letting me actually be pointed towards Venat on the boat right away, I was primed to think that they might actually go with, "Hydaelyn Bad." Then there was the female voice on the moon after killing Zodiark and Fandaniel(which turned out to be Meteion). So when they brought it back around to the way they decided to portray her, I definitely got some mental whiplash that I'm not quite over. Mainly I guess because they didn't go with, "Hydaelyn Good." They went with, "Hydaelyn is Self-Righteous, but she's also like, 110% RIGHT. Hand wave all your doubts now, feeble willed perfection seeker." Of course, they didn't do that with her character alone, they did it by proxy with the Scions and the theming in Ultima Thule and The Dead Ends. First you get the Scions, namely Y'shtola, saying that, "Well I know Hydaelyn herself said that what she did wasn't right, just necessary, but it's serving noble ends, so she was right." basically. Then you get everything else.

    The idea presented half a dozen times that the pursuit of perfection always leads to a dead end or bad end or desire for the end. Of course, the crucial missing piece to counterbalance that is the fact that you could learn more than, "Don't pursue perfection." You could instead learn, "Watch out for these pitfalls." Of course, that would be a much harder story for the writers to tell, because they'd actually have to envision a world that's perfect and then articulate it, and we being imperfect as we are, wouldn't be able to digest it, even if they could write it. So instead they opt to say that what Hydaelyn did was a bold move, directing the course of her entire planet, forcing her personal belief onto everyone via painful soul dispersion. Leaving it to us to question it outside of and beyond the narrative if that's actually bold at all, since it essentially robs the people of their will to choose for themselves their own outcome. I'm sure they're at least aware that she eventually became for the Sundered what Zodiark was for the Unsundered. A font of inspiration and belief, a being to stake your life on. The more she tried to be different, the more she proved herself the same.

    Winding back a bit, the intro split session that was expected came to pass typically for Thavnair with a little Fandaniel twist. I like what they did with him. For Sharlayan... I can say I got jebaited yet again. Them laying Labyrinthos out as a big deal but not like... actually a big deal right away really sent me spinning. I still held onto the idea that Hydaelyn was lying in their basement, and that sorta worked out to be true-ish. I wasn't sure if it was going to be the 87~89 arc or the 89~90 arc after we got our wrist slap from the fake drama Forum. Ameliance's segment was welcome. Try as they might to paint Fourchenault as a good dad who just wants what's best for his kids while letting them live their lives didn't land with me. He just felt entirely inconsistent as a character to me. Just a mouthpiece for minor/fake drama.

    The Garlemald contingent was pretty dang cool. I was surprised they went with so many side quest characters that have more or less been collecting dust on the shelf. In some ways it was a great idea, because they could have literally done anything they wanted to with those characters, since there's not a lot of strong attachment to them. On the other hand it was bad, because there was little to no attachment to them. Garlemald itself was appropriately bleak, and many of the sidequests and MSQs there presented me with ideas I've seen espoused on our forum come to life. The prideful suicide seemed more or less appropriate for that character. The new model radios preventing Tempering had my head spinning with an idea of an AU where the Garleans form a Scion-like organization and combat primals in teams with their radios. I'm sure the Garlean roleplayers got so much meat this expansion that they were quite happy for the possibilities while simultaneously being appalled at only getting ruins. Babil was cool, and Anima was kind of epic for a dungeon boss. We got more FFIV references. I also certainly would have never predicted that Fandaniel's plan was literally to charge a super laser and shoot Zodiark's prison with it. Also every time Hydaelyn piloted Krile, it made me wonder why she didn't pilot us instead.

    So we go to the moon by the way of the Babil teleporter. A long awaited what-if I'd always thought since playing FFIV for the first time finally comes true "10" entries into the series later. Neat! The watcher or whatever on the moon was also not what I expected, nor did I expect the concept crystals he had to just be Zodiark containment logs. Fandaniel proves to be a delight again, fulfilling many a person's wish by fucking over Zenos. Seven times Rejoined Zodiark seemed pretty together, at least physically. I left that trial feeling like my mind was blown, and of course, there was the possibility of, "Hydaelyn Bad" looming form the female voicing, "Finally..."

    The Loporrit section slowed things down waaaay too much, especially as someone doing side quests, and this was also when I had queue issues, so it took me an extra day just to get past all of that and move back onto Thavnair Part 2: Frenetic Boogaloo.

    Thavnair Part 2 was where all of the feels really hit me. The people of Radz-at-Han fighting for survival, whole families being consumed by despair and turning into Blasphemies. Vrtra at first being unwilling to kill them letting them beat on him, bite him in Vanaspati. The scene at Maya's Well. The baby. I got choked up. This is the only actual part of Endwalker that has any teeth. Of course, sidequests here felt terrible with what had just happened. Doing them all while the sky was still blood red seemed very off for some of them, and I wish they'd let them not appear till post 6.0 final boss. I put off going to that dinner with the Scions for a long time... oh hey another chance to have a Cold One. Gonna need that stiff drink after watching that poor woman get her neck wrenched in the throw like that.

    So onwards! Back to the past. Apparently. For Fan Service R Us. And godsdamned is it beautiful. Elpis is gorgeous, and the fan service was staggering. I know most folks are Emet-selch obsessed, but they really fed us a big heaping helping Venat Pie. I actually wasn't pleased to learn that our Azem was her protégé. Hand picked successor or whatever. When that happened, I knew they were going for a heavy handed layer up layer of just how good, right, and farsighted Hydaelyn was going to be. Course we got another yucky time loop, but honestly time travel doesn't bother me at all, so I didn't much care about that. I care more about why the hell didn't Hades summon his Grani and swing him and Hyth out with us. Yes, yes, narrative cohesion, but this "review" is somewhat talking outside of and beyond the narrative. As much as they tried to get away with this jaunt in the past it just begs so many questions. Such as, "If Hermes could create a fleet of Entelechies that could manipulate Dynamis, then why couldn't other Ancients create different Entelechies that could do the same, and then stop her?

    Though my favorite thing is that the mystery emotion energy is Dynamis and it's not more powerful than aether, it's quantity over quality, making up 68.3% of the universe according to Hermes. But the fact that they chose the name Dynamis is hilarious to me, an FFXI vet, because that was the dark dream world of Raogrimm's soul, and it was often colloquially referred to as Die-namis by players, due to how easy it was to wipe even large 30+ people groups in its original iteration. So having the apocalypse fueled by it was like a great in joke for me.

    Of course, the revelation of this big energy, and all of the plot aspects tied to it, stuff like, "Oh the Sundering was good actually because it lets us manipulate Dynamis unwittingly, and that's how we transcend our limits! -citation needed- causes all sorts of issues with gameplay vs. narrative but also like, narrative vs. narrative. Gameplay wise we never use any new skills that are explicitly Dynamis manipulation. Narrative wise a lot of people are harping on about how if we'd never been sundered then we couldn't manipulate it... but the Unsundered Hermes was able to manipulate it well enough along with creation magicks to create a cast of beings composed primarily of it that could manipulate it willingly and expertly so they could sustain themselves in the sea of stars. I think they didn't really think it through when they conceived it as a part of the story. Oh well, they tried I guess. An attempt was made, and I got a kick out of it.

    Actually can't remember the order of events right off hand. Instanced battles as Alisaie and yourself in Garlemald trying to protect the Thavnairian refugees from Final Days phenomenon in front of Fourchenault with a little Zenos panache at the end was kinda cool. Instantly knew what Alisaie said bugged him.

    Labyrinthos part 2 was pretty meh. And also riddled with side quests that also seemed to be out place and pace with the MSQ. Feels for Urianger and Moenbryda's parents, a tinge. It's hard to care about the parents of a minor character who was there for a patch and a half, and has been in the grave since 2015. They used her for Urianger character development. I guess that's one way to separate the wheat from the chaff. Oof.
    Aetherial Sea dungeon was cool. The character call backs there were more welcome. The Garlean souls in there as the first two bosses were also a nice surprise. Freaking Shiva, wow! Asahi's bit? I don't think he deserved it, honestly.

    Ok, so! An 8 player trial with Trusts! Interesting. Dynamic. Epic feeling but boring. I did it with Trusts just to see how it'd be. I lost one of my lives. I was on PLD. Also just weird that Hydaelyn kept a guesstimate epic level of power stored up just for that... which was supposedly a true test to see if we were strong enough to fight Meteion, but like... there's just several disconnects there. I thought the devs were on record saying that Zodiark was stronger than her. Supposedly she Sundered herself too, I thought? Idk. I feel like they really phoned it in with Hydaelyn and really really road the, "She was the better way, deal with it." high that they had built up to by this point and they road it hard. And they also copped out on Tempering. Just an Ascian machination. Not part of original summoning/creation at all. Huh. Then how did they make it be?

    Epic spaceship ride quickly devolves into nightmare fuel. Thancred almost pulls off a meaningful sacrifice. My gut actually wrenched because I'd realized what had happened before the story spelled it out for me. But then no one in the story so much as batted an eye really, and Estinien "died" next almost immediately. So I wore a frowny face cause I knew it was about to be fake drama fake death procession for literally everyone, and then Y'shtola flipped me off by mentioning the Azem stone with Hydaelyn's charm which I'd already figured on. Ultima Thule was beautiful though. I enjoyed getting the ideas about trip to Dragonstar/Omega Star nixxed, but at least getting to see more about them. Side quests were more at pace with less of them.

    The Ea were mildly interesting, and also made me think either the localizer or the writer for that section watched the episode of X-Files, "Eve." (Exsanguination is a key bead in its beginning).

    Fan Service for flowers. It was ok I guess. At this point I was ready for anything, and expected more and more emotional window dressing. Kudos to Emet for calling Hydaelyn's magic filthy.

    The real treat was the dungeon though. It had some pretty on the nose real world commentary with the first two sections. Blaming the plague victims for the plague itself etc. Two sides in a war referring to themselves as Freedom Fighters and Peacekeepers lol. The music in The Dead Ends is one of my favorite tracks in the game now. The final civ was more supposed to mirror our Ancients' civ. Tallish robed masked individuals just waiting to be extinguished because their lives were so perfect that existence become synonymous with insipid. A beast with a human face delivers the result. Oh look, it also has wings. *glares at Meteion* Hmmm. Theming.

    Final fight, EPIC phew! Riding on Zenos-Ryu, YEEHAW! Dynamis commentary? Not necessarily about the Limit Break. Just might be about how we're opposing her at all. She's not only got like 108 dead planets' worth of info/knowledge/power, but has 12,000 years of torment etc. going on etc.

    Final final fight? A TEST OF MY RELFEXES! Actually, stupid easy. I loved it though. It was anime as hell, and it's the truth that there is more to the WoL and the player than just saving the world and being a hero. It also had a smidge of commentary inherent in saying that point blank. Being more than just a hero and even being a hero comes with baggage, baggage like Zenos. He could be dead, but he's probably just having a nap.

    10/10 would Endwalk again. My LP is proceeding apace, but limited due to queue issues still, life issues, and trying to get ready/geared up issues for raid issues. Also totally ready to argue ad infinitum about things I'm powerless to change within and beyond but related to the narrative.
    (6)

    (Signature portrait by Amaipetisu)

    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

  7. #256
    Player
    Rosenstrauch's Avatar
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    2015/05/30
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    Valnain
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    Wind-up Antecedent
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    Zalera
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    双剣士 Lv 100
    More Towers observations, now that I'm going back to level Summoner.

    Tower of Babil:
    The first two bossess, Barnabas and Dr. Lugae, are obviously references to Final Fantasy IV. Barnabas in particular is a faithful recreation of the original's design, while Dr. Lugae's robotic form is seemingly better adapted to FFXIV's overall Magitek design. A thing I'd like to note about Barnabas, however: If you look at his forehead, you'll see that he has the Garlean Third Eye, meaning just like Inferno and Number #24 from Castrum Abania, he's another Hypertuned experiment. And while attacking Lugae right at the start is also a reference to his dumb behavior in FFIV, lashing out at the man responsible for his transformation with what little will he has left seems probable to me as well.

    After defeating Lugae, Alisaie questions whether or not he was Tempered. Regrettably, much like a certain Garlean scientist in Stormblood whose impact long outlived his own appearances, we'll probably never know for certain what his deal was other than "Garlean mad scientist". But I wouldn't be surprised if Lugae was soft implied to be Resonant.

    As for Anima/Varis being the final boss... consider the following: The first two bosses are Barnabas and Dr. Lugae. There's a region in Garlemald named the Eblan Rime. And Varis, father to the prince of the region, was turned into a monster against his own will. Zenos is no Edward "Edge" Geraldine, thankfully.

    As an aside, the centipede-like spinal constructions all over the place creep me the **** out.
    (7)

  8. #257
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    Recon1o6's Avatar
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    2016/09/29
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    竜騎士 Lv 90
    Will do a write up later (not departed for the final zone yet) but there's one thing that has been bugging me

    If the teleportation that zenos and fandango did at the end of the second dungeon could be redirected, why couldn't it be redirected out into empty space :P
    (1)

  9. #258
    Player
    Cleretic's Avatar
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    2021/09/01
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    Solution Eight (it's not as good)
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    Ein Dose
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    錬金術師 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Recon1o6 投稿を閲覧
    Will do a write up later (not departed for the final zone yet) but there's one thing that has been bugging me

    If the teleportation that zenos and fandango did at the end of the second dungeon could be redirected, why couldn't it be redirected out into empty space :P
    I assumed it was kind of a gravitational thing. Yes, Hydaelyn could knock them off-course, but she couldn't swing its trajectory so far out that they wouldn't end up on the moon somewhere.
    (6)

  10. #259
    Player EaraGrace's Avatar
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    2019/02/05
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    Ul’dah
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    Eara Grace
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    Faerie
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    ナイト Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Recon1o6 投稿を閲覧
    Will do a write up later (not departed for the final zone yet) but there's one thing that has been bugging me

    If the teleportation that zenos and fandango did at the end of the second dungeon could be redirected, why couldn't it be redirected out into empty space :P
    Given how exhausted Hydaelyn and Krile seemed to be afterwards, redirecting them took no small effort, and I can imagine the further you redirect the more strenuous it becomes. Besides, it wouldn’t kill them either way.
    (5)

  11. #260
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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    2014/05/18
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    The Interdimensional Rift
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    Vicious Zvahl
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    機工士 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Recon1o6 投稿を閲覧
    Will do a write up later (not departed for the final zone yet) but there's one thing that has been bugging me

    If the teleportation that zenos and fandango did at the end of the second dungeon could be redirected, why couldn't it be redirected out into empty space :P
    Krile-S2 Limitations.
    (0)

    (Signature portrait by Amaipetisu)

    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

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