Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
I read someones post about a certain topic on reddit and I know wonder the same:
This is... honestly, kind of an overcomplication of things, I think.

I don't think we actually impacted Venat's plan overmuch. Ultimately, she was always going to stand up and become Hydaelyn, shackle Zodiark, cram him in the moon, and make the thing resemble an escape plan. And that's because, even if we weren't there, she still would have met with Emet, Hythlodaeus, and Hermes; she still would have been witness to Meteion's breakdown, learned about dynamis through that lens, and escaped Ktitsis with her memories intact and something resembling a plan. We might've helped her refine it a bit, but ultimately nothing Venat does because of our interference is out of character for her normally. It probably just would've taken her longer to get there.

Or alternatively: like in Alexander's story, it's a time loop that contains another time loop. G'raha was always going to survive the Calamity and then travel back to save the First, because an even bigger time loop requires this to have already happened. The Elpis time loop essentially creates the First time loop.

I mean, it's one of those two or it's 'we're not supposed to ask that many questions about time travel in this game, so don't worry about it'.