Endwalker Main Scenario Commentary & Feedback

[Alleo]

I read someones post about a certain topic on reddit and I know wonder the same:

Is the story with the time travel even possible? In Shadowbringer our original future would have been that we die thanks to Black Rose. The calamity happens, the first is destroyed and 200 years later Graha awakes to change this.

Until the point that the scions and we are taken to the first everything should have happened the same way. Yet how does Hydaelyn and her plan exist if we died in the bad future? We would have no chance to tell Venat everything we knew at that time. Yet the loop was already in existence at that period of time.

IMO it would have made much more sense that because we are now alive and able to travel in the past that we do change their future.

Also wasnt it said that the sound came from within the earth? Yet Meteion was in space.

[Cleretic]

I read someones post about a certain topic on reddit and I know wonder the same:

This is... honestly, kind of an overcomplication of things, I think.

I don't think we actually impacted Venat's plan overmuch. Ultimately, she was always going to stand up and become Hydaelyn, shackle Zodiark, cram him in the moon, and make the thing resemble an escape plan. And that's because, even if we weren't there, she still would have met with Emet, Hythlodaeus, and Hermes; she still would have been witness to Meteion's breakdown, learned about dynamis through that lens, and escaped Ktitsis with her memories intact and something resembling a plan. We might've helped her refine it a bit, but ultimately nothing Venat does because of our interference is out of character for her normally. It probably just would've taken her longer to get there.

Or alternatively: like in Alexander's story, it's a time loop that contains another time loop. G'raha was always going to survive the Calamity and then travel back to save the First, because an even bigger time loop requires this to have already happened. The Elpis time loop essentially creates the First time loop.

I mean, it's one of those two or it's 'we're not supposed to ask that many questions about time travel in this game, so don't worry about it'.

[Bhearil]

I read someones post about a certain topic on reddit and I know wonder the same:

Is the story with the time travel even possible? In Shadowbringer our original future would have been that we die thanks to Black Rose. The calamity happens, the first is destroyed and 200 years later Graha awakes to change this.

Until the point that the scions and we are taken to the first everything should have happened the same way. Yet how does Hydaelyn and her plan exist if we died in the bad future? We would have no chance to tell Venat everything we knew at that time. Yet the loop was already in existence at that period of time.

IMO it would have made much more sense that because we are now alive and able to travel in the past that we do change their future.

Also wasnt it said that the sound came from within the earth? Yet Meteion was in space.

Ill try to answer this the best I can:

This is the basic premise of how time travel would work, according to Albert Einstein. Simply put, even if it were possible to travel back in time, you would not be able to change any events in the past, because your future self would have already caused them to happen in the way that they did. No matter your intentions, everything that you did would only fulfill the past. The only thing that would change is your perception of the events.
Meanwhile Graha Tia's crew didnt simply traveled to the past but knowing how time travel works they managed to open a conection to a paralel world where a Graha Tia came from another future. Thats the reason why the Bad Future will never get to pass due to Graha Tias's interference in our world even if in future Graha Tia's world happened and WILL happen no matter what even if they traveled to their past, thats why old Cid and Nero mention that even if their successors manage to complete their project, they are doomed anyways because nothing will change and will only manage to save "another" world.

On one we just travel to the past, on the other Graha traveled to a paralel universe, but missed the point they wanted to reach in the time axis arriving a century too early

[Lyth]

Also wasnt it said that the sound came from within the earth? Yet Meteion was in space.

Oh, the sights we shall see, the sights we shall see...

Perhaps there is another reason why we were sent back to that very specific point in time? To serve as someone's guiding star?