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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Well now into spoiler territory
    Especially since all of that hinged on Venat somehow being able to plan all of that. How it all ended that well even though we just changed our future in the expansion before that...was that too already one of her plans? Venat was a bright and awesome person (I liked her very much) and yes the Ancients were much more powerful than us. But it still felt that she was a bit too good in that part. That she somehow was able to put the plan in motion that for example the Space Ship was ready just in time for the Final days. And yet even with all her knowledge and seemingly power she did not try to changer her own future at all. I wonder if she might have explained it to our Azem who was not happy to just play it out and who tried to change it but failed...

    So as a conclusion I am fine with the ending. Yet if I could have written it, I would not have put the stakes so high. I wished they kept it to just our planet, even if it would have truly just been an alien lifeform that sleeps deep in the planets core or something. I mean in the end the Final Days were a product of the Ancients themselves. Hermes did create the birds and sent them out to bring him an answer about life. And with that action he might have doomed who knows how many worlds because as far as I understood it was his creation that later turned into Endsinger because of all that despair. Having him create the "Final day boss" but keeping it soley on this planet would have felt better for me. His view on the way the Ancients threat other living lifeforms was compelling enough, it really did not need to be on such a wide scale.
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    This is why the closed time loop didn't work for me, there are so many faults with it. Elpis should've branched into an alternate timeline. Despite the WoL detailing the future to Venat, one in which we still had not been successful in stopping the Final Days, she still chose to not do anything differently. I know the theme is faith and hope, but when you are told your choices didn't save your civilization and have still failed to save civilization 12k years into the future, wouldn't you try something else? I also notice that Azem not joining her was never addressed, so I have to wonder if even her protege disagreed with her.

    The Sound wasn't a product of the Ancients, it was specifically Hermes. It was evident early on that he was an anomaly (essentially the only depressed person in a society of happy people) and in the wrong line of work for his mental health. This inevitably tainted Meteion before they were ever sent out into space. I suspect they brought Hermes' negative energy to the worlds they visited and possibly caused a disruption in the dynamis of other stars that resulted in increased feelings of despair. Emet somewhat touches upon that by questioning Hermes' method being flawed to produce unfavorable results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    Things & stuff. :P
    This is why the closed time loop didn't work for me, there are so many faults with it. Elpis should've branched into an alternate timeline.

    The Sound wasn't a product of the Ancients, it was specifically Hermes.
    About the ancients

    Yeah the closed time loop also did not work for me (but time travel is hardly something that I like). I really thought that maybe they would change their outcome and later would help our fight. Even if they are worse against Dynamis not every Ancient lost control of their magic. But it was not meant to be that way sadly.

    Well not directly a product of all the Ancients but a product of one of their own. (So it was not a complete outside threat) And Hermes was suffering that way because seemingly a huge amount of the Ancients threated the new created life as something that can easily just be undone. Even Hythlo just casually makes a robe out of two butterflies. Even we are threated much different even though we have a soul and thus should not just be magical construct. At the same time if something is way too dangerous then even in our world we put it down, for the safety of other living beings. Hermes seemingly does not understand that too. Yet at the end he turns around and is ready to destroy the whole planet...including all those animals that he helped create. Really a messed up situation.



    @Rosenstrauch

    About Zodiark: Yes that is how I interpreted it too. When they called themselves the Will of the Star I started to wonder if Zodiark would still be the same and even listen to the Ancients word if the souls got swapped out with unwilling sacrifices.

    About Venat: Yes at that time it was too late. What of course makes it harder is the timeline of it all. The Ancients think in whole different time periods. So who knows how long it still took for the final days to happen after our visit. Could have been hundreds of years or just a few months. But she had to have time to come up with the ship plan, to create the rabbits and more. I guess a lot of stuff could have been learned from us (since we have no idea how much we really told them) but she still needed to put everything in order. And seemingly she never thought about trying to at least tell Hades and Hythlo the truth. I just dont understand the reasoning for keeping it "fair" towards Hermes.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 12-08-2021 at 10:31 PM.