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    They are probably getting ready to remove dots from the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alluneth View Post
    They are probably getting ready to remove dots from the game
    I just don't understand their hatred of dots in this game. Everyone use to have one or two then to only one then none.

    I understand that some needed to go like Fracture, Phlebotomize, Touch of Death, Mutilate or Lead Shot. But seriously SE, a lot of people love DoTs and you're making so those people have no job that interest them.

    It's the same thing with pet classes. We all know Yoshi hates them but just because he does doesn't mean we shouldn't have one in the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcrash970 View Post
    I just don't understand their hatred of dots in this game. Everyone use to have one or two then to only one then none.

    I understand that some needed to go like Fracture, Phlebotomize, Touch of Death, Mutilate or Lead Shot. But seriously SE, a lot of people love DoTs and you're making so those people have no job that interest them.

    It's the same thing with pet classes. We all know Yoshi hates them but just because he does doesn't mean we shouldn't have one in the game
    Lets head this off here. They do not hate DoTs or Pet classes. The problem is tech, not a like or dislike problem. They mentioned multiple times they had MANY issues with the amount of debuffs that were loading up on bosses in the game, even now with the amount that have been cut out, in 24 mans and hunts there still is a chance the bosses debuff bar will get so overloaded your debuffs will barely even show, which can cause tech issues and not get benefits from them. I wanna stress I do not want to see BRD DoTs ever be cut, but lets not be hyperbolic and perpetuate falsities about the dev team.

    Pet classes are even worse tech wise, Summoner's pets have been reworked each expansion and sometimes during major patches. They have literally been trying to fix Summoner pets for 8 years. You don't do that if you hate Pet jobs. Them making Pet's basically glorified stand ins is the result of them realizing they were just unable to fix it to players wants and just relenting to the many Summoner players who wanted them gone. I feel bad for those who really like Pet jobs, but at a certain point if you can't fix a problem right, the best way to deal with it is to remove the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rika007 View Post
    Lets head this off here. They do not hate DoTs or Pet classes. The problem is tech, not a like or dislike problem. They mentioned multiple times they had MANY issues with the amount of debuffs that were loading up on bosses in the game, even now with the amount that have been cut out, in 24 mans and hunts there still is a chance the bosses debuff bar will get so overloaded your debuffs will barely even show, which can cause tech issues and not get benefits from them. I wanna stress I do not want to see BRD DoTs ever be cut, but lets not be hyperbolic and perpetuate falsities about the dev team.

    Pet classes are even worse tech wise, Summoner's pets have been reworked each expansion and sometimes during major patches. They have literally been trying to fix Summoner pets for 8 years. You don't do that if you hate Pet jobs. Them making Pet's basically glorified stand ins is the result of them realizing they were just unable to fix it to players wants and just relenting to the many Summoner players who wanted them gone. I feel bad for those who really like Pet jobs, but at a certain point if you can't fix a problem right, the best way to deal with it is to remove the problem.
    Yoshi-p has literally said he hates pet classes in the past. It's was pretty much a meme when he did.

    But the whole debuff cap was fixed when they reduced the amount of debuffs we can apply in 4.0.

    These changes are either saying we believe these kind of job Mechanics are too hard for the general player base or them saying " hey we can't get this to work so we are giving up on making it work and will be gutting then out of the game"

    Now I want to say this. I don't like bard. Never care for it but when you see a negative trend, you have to say it
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    Last edited by zcrash970; 12-03-2021 at 01:06 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rika007 View Post
    Lets head this off here. They do not hate DoTs or Pet classes. The problem is tech, not a like or dislike problem. They mentioned multiple times they had MANY issues with the amount of debuffs that were loading up on bosses in the game, even now with the amount that have been cut out, in 24 mans and hunts there still is a chance the bosses debuff bar will get so overloaded your debuffs will barely even show, which can cause tech issues and not get benefits from them. I wanna stress I do not want to see BRD DoTs ever be cut, but lets not be hyperbolic and perpetuate falsities about the dev team.

    Pet classes are even worse tech wise, Summoner's pets have been reworked each expansion and sometimes during major patches. They have literally been trying to fix Summoner pets for 8 years. You don't do that if you hate Pet jobs. Them making Pet's basically glorified stand ins is the result of them realizing they were just unable to fix it to players wants and just relenting to the many Summoner players who wanted them gone. I feel bad for those who really like Pet jobs, but at a certain point if you can't fix a problem right, the best way to deal with it is to remove the problem.
    I truly hate how many times tech issues leads to things like unfavorable class changes or other designs in this game. I really wish they would take some time to fix the backend so we don't have to deal with it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I truly hate how many times tech issues leads to things like unfavorable class changes or other designs in this game. I really wish they would take some time to fix the backend so we don't have to deal with it...
    Srsly such "tech issues" is an easy excuse for everything even if it isn´t a thing. So many games can handle a bunch of debuffs, DoTs on any classes, mass PvP, 1,5s GCDs and so on. Just FF14 can´t do it? Do you really trust all the excuses in favor of homogenization and dumb downs, when the game, classes and players had even more skills and possibilities back in the days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcrash970 View Post
    I just don't understand their hatred of dots in this game. Everyone use to have one or two then to only one then none.

    I understand that some needed to go like Fracture, Phlebotomize, Touch of Death, Mutilate or Lead Shot. But seriously SE, a lot of people love DoTs and you're making so those people have no job that interest them.

    It's the same thing with pet classes. We all know Yoshi hates them but just because he does doesn't mean we shouldn't have one in the game
    It's probably two things:
    1) FFXIV lacks the DoT interface management tools of other MMOs.
    2) (Partially due to 1) DoTs may be considered too much for FFXIV's target audience to handle.
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