Thread: Monk Positionals 6.0

Yes, there is a chance, however for players who have played Monk for an extended period of time, they should be able to have a good grasp on how the changes will feel to play. Most were content with losing 2 positionals and were willing to give the job a try, but then even more get removed. They really should have tested the waters by keeping it at the 2 positionals first and then adjust from there.

Originally Posted by Andy_T93

But there is equal chance that they will love and people will flock to it, so again lets stop making up hypotheticals to support our stance

If that is the case I think it's going to have a lot more to do with Masterful Blitz than the removal of positionals.....
Positionals have always been a part of melee I have a very hard time believing it's what kept people away, especially in earlier expansions when other melees had more of them.

The stated reason why people didn't play or quit playing MNK was because it was boring and felt like it had lagged behind others.
Masterful Blitz is the solution to that not the removal of positionals.
The removal of positionals only make the downtime more boring and less engaging ( on top of less ogcd's too, it's just less overall... ).

Originally Posted by Jirah

dont they always? whens the last beneficial change they made to the game that didnt make it accessibile to the horde

To be fair, I don't think it's a bad move to try to cater to a large percentage of a player base. Only thing I could draw a tangent to would be League of Legends, that says what changes affect what skill level (These changes are mainly visible in ____ level gameplay). It'd be nice if Square Enix didn't only focus on the iron/bronze/silver, even if it is roughly ~60% or so (I don't know, I don't play anymore)

I always say this, but yes, something needed to change. There should be a line though that if the changes cater to a group directly conflict with the pre-established long-lived group that already existed though. The compromise was 2 positionals (Rip Raptor Form) which honestly I was going to live with, but the Opo-Opo positionals are just overkill clearly catering to the players who complain the most.

A change I was more ready to accept was a chakra overhaul, which yes, we got a new system, but it's clearly just a Samurai/Ninja knock-off. The 5-chakra system is just bland and could have easily been improved upon if they just considered some of the many fan recommendations.

Originally Posted by Andy_T93

The issue is that Monk is by far the least played melee DPS job and yes the census stats support that. And rightly or wrongly the devs believe the reason for this is positionals. And TBH I agree I think its an unnecessary change and one I would have preferred didn't happen but it is nowhere near a big enough to change to make me stop raining the job I love. If they had removes GL traits then I would walk away from Monk and go back to Ninja

lol. Could you imagine a day when they remove Greased Lightning? Oh wait....

Originally Posted by Andy_T93

The issue is that Monk is by far the least played melee DPS job and yes the census stats support that. And rightly or wrongly the devs believe the reason for this is positionals. And TBH I agree I think its an unnecessary change and one I would have preferred didn't happen but it is nowhere near a big enough to change to make me stop raining the job I love. If they had removes GL traits then I would walk away from Monk and go back to Ninja

The thing is there, they already announced that in the fan fest stream that they'd be removing the positional requirements on twin snakes and true strike, and this was done to enable masterful blitz to work more smoothly. Speaking for myself, I didn't love the removal of the requirements but was okay with it since it still kept the core of the job relatively in tact, and it could be seen to make the job more accessible to more players, since the job would go from 6 positional requirements to 4. But now they've gone from 6 requirements to 2, which has removed a big part of the job's classic identity it's had since 2.0.

To put it in perspective here's the number of skils with requirements by melee job:
DRG : 3
NIN : 3
SAM : 2
RPR : 2
MNK : 2

One of ninja's requirements is on Trick Attack, so now dragoon is the positional king, and it still has only half of what monk had just 24 hours ago. Leaving monk at 4 skills that require a position would have been fine, and a concession to make it seem less intimidating for more players to try out.

The real thing is while monk might have seemed intimidating for its positional requirements, it also just didn't have the draw of exciting skills like jumps, iajutsu, and ninjutsu like other jobs had. Monk has been using its same 6 skill rotation and generic OGCD skills for 7 years now. Masterful blitz is a move in the right direction, but I don't think it's warranted all the other cuts the job got in order to accommodate it.

Originally Posted by Andy_T93

But there is equal chance that they will love and people will flock to it, so again lets stop making up hypotheticals to support our stance

That´s a vague statement. Of course noone knows what´s going to happen. But in fact the most ppl who showed up at any time have been in casuals. And casuals in final look like the following:

- They do play any class, but don´t put much efford into them. They swap as they want and mostly prefer QoL classes over real gameplay. Which last in the masses of DNC or healer / RDM in content like bodzja since they know they´re going to die and can rezz easily.
- They don´t play the endgame (savage content)... the only content where positionals on MNK need to be played.
- They do play EX content, but even there they don´t perform really well.
- They have no clue about good / bad or balancing, since they just don´t care and want to be insane.

Maybe they´ll like the new MNK, they´ll atleast try it, for sure. But i´m convinced that they´ll never main or try to master it. They play the game for other reasons than "having a mainclass and compete in the endgame". It´s more about "pewpew, glam and social features". That´s why any gaming company should give much about feedback from casuals when we talk about gameplay.

Originally Posted by Andy_T93

The issue is that Monk is by far the least played melee DPS job and yes the census stats support that. And rightly or wrongly the devs believe the reason for this is positionals.

1st it was being unable to play positionals, so we got true north and RoE.
2nd it was caused by greased lightning, so we got TK and anatman.
3rd it was GL again, so they got ride of it.
Now it´s positionals again, so they get ride of it.

Does it make sense that the whole class is an issue in itself? I say no!

Just because a class is the least played, doesn´t mean it´s a bad one. Ppl claim BLM to be perfect, but there are not more BLM players than MNK players. On is the most static and one the class with the highest mobility and both of them get highly rewarded or punished for playing well / doing mistakes. Any other classes are just way easier to play or in case of SAM / DNC self-carry classes where you´re able to perform quite bad but still having a decent output.

So far, it´s nothing but BS to get ride of MNK positionals and i promise that the player on MNK won´t grow. If anything, it´ll probably get worse since all the MNK mains got slapped into their face meanwhile the mighty casuals will always fall back on easier and stronger classes. The new braindead SMN will finish the holy braindead relationship between melees, ranges and caster. MNK will be lost in space.

Just wanted to chime in to voice my disappointment and disagreement with the removal of additional positional vis-à-vis what was presented during the media tour. Please reconsider this change!

Originally Posted by Ezzeloharr

Just wanted to chime in to voice my disappointment and disagreement with the removal of additional positional vis-à-vis what was presented during the media tour. Please reconsider this change!

Here here, Brother! Appreciate the login for the support