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  1. #41
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    wereotter's Avatar
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    So disappointed.

    Job got hit HARD with the idiot stick. Guess all the whiners got their way, job is hollowed out and looks boring AF. No need to move around, no OGCD skills. Monk is now the most braindead job in the game. And willing to bet rather than have these changes draw players to the job, those of us who stuck with it through all the crap are even more likely to just drop it. I get needing to drop them for twin snakes and true strike to make the blitz system work, but can anyone give a legitimate reason dragon kick and bootshine also needed theirs removed too?

    Now with Riddle of Earth and True North there's literally no reason to move off the boss's flank and just pop a position ignoring skill every time you need to refresh demolish. Congrats SE, you finally killed monk, as you've seemed to intent to do.
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  2. #42
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    Sqwall Lionheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morzy View Post
    Would you prefer to stand still? If so Monk was never the job for you.
    No....the new and improved monk job is for me! It's what I have been campaigning for YEARS! While I enjoy the new and improved monk with a WIDE smile on my face with 4 less positionals and a new attack system I may remember the time that I had fun on MNK in 2.0 and 3.0.
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  3. #43
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    Good Riddance to over reliance on positionals. Finally Monk will no longer be a movement mess that it is.

    Finally MNK will be SMOOTH to play....FINALLY.
    MNK already was smooth that wasn't a problem minus the burst phase which was clunky but that was a skill speed issue...
    The tempo of the movement was part of the fun, if you think it was a mess then that says more about you than it does the Job.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    No....the new and improved monk job is for me! It's what I have been campaigning for YEARS! While I enjoy the new and improved monk with a WIDE smile on my face with 4 less positionals and a new attack system I may remember the time that I had fun on MNK in 2.0 and 3.0.
    Yes you've been the loud lone voice. I've seen you in every monk thread campaigning for the job to be dumbed down and being shot down by every player who's mained the job since 2.0. Congrats you got your way. Enjoy being the only monk in the game.
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  5. #45
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    Mike Aettir
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    Now with Riddle of Earth and True North there's literally no reason to move off the boss's flank and just pop a position ignoring skill every time you need to refresh demolish. Congrats SE, you finally killed monk, as you've seemed to intent to do.
    Riddle of Earth no longer removes positional requirements, so it is a 3 charge, 30 second cooldown, 10 second duration 20% damage reduction. Lets be honest, why.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    So disappointed.

    Job got hit HARD with the idiot stick. Guess all the whiners got their way, job is hollowed out and looks boring AF. No need to move around, no OGCD skills. Monk is now the most braindead job in the game. And willing to bet rather than have these changes draw players to the job, those of us who stuck with it through all the crap are even more likely to just drop it. I get needing to drop them for twin snakes and true strike to make the blitz system work, but can anyone give a legitimate reason dragon kick and bootshine also needed theirs removed too?

    Now with Riddle of Earth and True North there's literally no reason to move off the boss's flank and just pop a position ignoring skill every time you need to refresh demolish. Congrats SE, you finally killed monk, as you've seemed to intent to do.
    1st. Easy...bootshine and dragon kick are no longer the focus of the job...nor is perfect balance 5 charge burst. The focus is Forms, Chakra, Blitz.

    2nd. Yet another two example of crutches the job used to "stay complex and rewarding", wouldn't surprise me at all if true north get's deleted.
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    Last edited by Sqwall; 12-03-2021 at 03:04 AM.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    No....the new and improved monk job is for me! It's what I have been campaigning for YEARS! While I enjoy the new and improved monk with a WIDE smile on my face with 4 less positionals and a new attack system I may remember the time that I had fun on MNK in 2.0 and 3.0.
    What about 4.0 and 5.0 Monk did you not enjoy compared to 2.0 and 3.0? The only change positional wise is 2/3.0 had Touch of Death every 30 seconds and Fracture in the niche circumstances.
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    Riddle of Earth no longer removes positional requirements, so it is a 3 charge, 30 second cooldown, 10 second duration 20% damage reduction. Lets be honest, why.
    missed that part of the notes, but I stand by my criticism of the rework. And what do you know, they didn't escape the trap of keeping useless skills on monk. Why does the job need 3 charges of a defense increasing skill? We're not a tank, and we're not samurais who collect vuln stacks from standing in mechanics like they're puffy stickers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    1st. Easy...bootshine and dragon kick are no longer the focus of the job...nor is perfect balance 5 charge burst. The focus is Forms, Chakra, Blitz.

    2nd. Yet another two example of crutches the job used to "stay complex and rewarding", wouldn't surprise me at all if true north get's deleted.
    dragon kick and bootshine were the focus of the job for the brief window between the removal of greased lightning and now. Prior to that, they weren't the focus, they were the reward for playing correctly.

    and yes, they removed your "crutch" and now the job has no leg to stand on. It has nothing left. Its OGCDs have all been removed, and it's positional attacks are gone too. Monk now is take ninja but remove its trick attack, ninjutsu, and ninki gauge. Sure sounds like fun, eh?
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    Last edited by wereotter; 12-03-2021 at 03:09 AM.

  9. #49
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    K'ahli K'uhla'tor
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    Monk Lv 100
    I can't say I'm happy about losing most of our positionals instead of the two that would typically follow up a positional in the same position. However if I'm being honest the main draw of the job was always the fast GCD to me. Plus I'm still a firm proponent of Blitzes so I'm still more positive about these changes overall than I was with the last two expansions.

    Stormblood nearly made me unsubscribe, this is just some disappointment alongside something I'm interested in.
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  10. #50
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    Miles Floof
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    Monk Lv 90
    Personally im far more concerned about the loss of OGCD's than I am positionals, im hoping that the increase in Chakra generation will offset this to a degree but we will see I feel like they could have just moved elixir field to the blitz and let us keep tornado kick
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