Thread: Monk Positionals 6.0

Monk has been my main job since I started playing ARR some six years ago. Being positional heavy and having to maintain GL stacks were the cross we had to bare but I took pride in it because the dance is what made us unique. Its practically apart of our class identity. I understand it must have been frustrating as hell to try to design and expand on monk over the years. Each expansion felt like rather then expanding on our toolset they were instead trying to lift the burden of GL stacks. Its in that endeavor with EW they threw the baby out with the bathwater.

Frustration aside I was sad to see GL stacks go but having only two positionals like every other melee class leaves monk feeling hollow and homogenized.

My thought on it has just kind of shifted to the whole management on the new Ying/Yang gauge system; and whether or not it'll make things feel busier, or just as active as it was before.

I mean it's something to definitely consider, because it does look busier then the normal chakra was; which in fairness was just something we kept up and executed with a single button press throughout fights and instantly in-between.

I guess what I'm saying is we shouldn't downplay the new system monk got until we know just how busy it truly makes the job feel, because I'm personally all for changing stuff like this, as long as it's replaced with something that makes the job feel just as busy; as it's the only reason why i love Monk so much.

Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

My thought on it has just kind of shifted to the whole management on the new Ying/Yang gauge system; and whether or not it'll make things feel busier, or just as active as it was before.

I mean it's something to definitely consider, because it does look busier then the normal chakra was; which in fairness was just something we kept up and executed with a single button press throughout fights and instantly in-between.

I guess what I'm saying is we shouldn't downplay the new system monk got until we know just how busy it truly makes the job feel, because I'm personally all for changing stuff like this, as long as it's replaced with something that makes the job feel just as busy; as it's the only reason why i love Monk so much.

except it's actually less busy now. tornado kick and elixir field were removed and you're still pressing perfect balance, still pressing gcd's for your nadi, you're just now pressing 1 button at the end of your beast chakra. on top of that there's no more positionals so you stand there for most of the time

Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

My thought on it has just kind of shifted to the whole management on the new Ying/Yang gauge system; and whether or not it'll make things feel busier, or just as active as it was before.

I mean it's something to definitely consider, because it does look busier then the normal chakra was; which in fairness was just something we kept up and executed with a single button press throughout fights and instantly in-between.

I guess what I'm saying is we shouldn't downplay the new system monk got until we know just how busy it truly makes the job feel, because I'm personally all for changing stuff like this, as long as it's replaced with something that makes the job feel just as busy; as it's the only reason why i love Monk so much.

The job is busy pre-endwalker, and I agree that it would be quite busy if monk kept all six positionals moving forward into Endwalker.

My issue is the lack of communication from SE about this. Were we not told that only Twin Snakes and True Strike would lose positional requirements? What we have as a result is twice the amount of positional loss than originally communicated.

And I get that things could have changed between the media tour and now, but I don't buy the 'we didn't know monk would end up needing this much reduction in positional requirements' when they had a working template at the time of the media tour.

Originally Posted by Morzy

The job is busy pre-endwalker, and I agree that it would be quite busy if monk kept all six positionals moving forward into Endwalker.

My issue is the lack of communication from SE about this. Were we not told that only Twin Snakes and True Strike would lose positional requirements? What we have as a result is twice the amount of positional loss than originally communicated.

And I get that things could have changed between the media tour and now, but I don't buy the 'we didn't know monk would end up needing this much reduction in positional requirements' when they had a working template at the time of the media tour.

Oh... oh dear. D:

Hmmmm, well I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

i say what in a month-ish almost nobody gonna play this mess of a job(both positional lovers and positional haters), seriously, they promised what they where going to remove only 2 positionals, so much about keeping promises eh?(remember when yoshida said what the slowdown on riddle of fire was a bad idea yet they still keep it on the beginning of shb?)
and what we get in exchange of the positional removals? almost no ogcd's!, a joke of a maintenance skill!(anatman), and promises what the job will be supposedly feel busy(somehow? even tho monk gameplay is gcd based now)
edit: and thinking about it, now missing positionals hardly do affect monk bottom dmg at all since basically almost all the skills monk has are gcd based, so missing the positionals what will be a drop of 1-2% dmg in total?