Thread: Monk Positionals 6.0

Originally Posted by Sqwall

I am looking forward for the job from here on out. And I for one am happy MNK is ultimately a compromise. You still have postionals, you still have fast attack speed, you still have high crit.

Some people just don't like change....even if they can't see that shakes things up for the better.

It would´ve been a compromiss with 4 positionals left. Not those 2 which are used at the least anyway.

And nobody would complain about Blitz if we still had all positionals left. But they got ride of it for a worse Mudra.

Originally Posted by Sqwall

I have been told NUMEROUS times to just find a different class to play

Yes and you always had the chance to play classes with less positionals and some engaging gameplay. Instead you wanted MNK´s gameplay to cater yourself, just because you like the visuals and not it´s own coregameplay which have been about positionals for years especially in ShB without anything left but positionals.

Me and other old MNK mains can´t just jump on another class with a fast positional gameplay. There is none left. If anything we can play NIN because it´s actually MNK with more depth and oGCD´s.

Originally Posted by Navnav

If the fact I like the changes and you don't triggers you so much, why not just simply scroll on by me.

If the fact that many others here don't like the changes triggers you so much, why not simply scroll on by them?

If you don't like getting flak over your opinions, fam, no cap, don't post on a forum.

You know what, you guys go ahead and enjoy the new monk. I was like many of the people in this thread for a while, albeit less belligerent. I still am to an extent, as I probably won't be playing the monk again any time soon. Then I saw the thread for the Summoners changes. It was eye opening to see the similarities between this thread and the Summoner thread. So many people dislike the rework to Summoner, whereas I love the rework. It feels like I'm playing a Summoner of the previous FF games now more than ever. I was wrong to think any less of any of you, and I apologize. You guys enjoy the Monk, and I'll be over here enjoying the Summoner. Both classes lost fans but gained new ones, although I was a fan of Summoner since SB.

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Why does DRG feel more fast paced than MNK lel?

A more oGCD-crowded opener and ~60s threshold. Outside of that, it's noticeably slower. That's not to say MNK is quick, just that DRG's far from it either. (My other char is a Maiming main -- DRG, then RPR.)

Originally Posted by Adonan

You know what, you guys go ahead and enjoy the new monk. I was like many of the people in this thread for a while, albeit less belligerent. I still am to an extent, as I probably won't be playing the monk again any time soon. Then I saw the thread for the Summoners changes. It was eye opening to see the similarities between this thread and the Summoner thread. So many people dislike the rework to Summoner, whereas I love the rework. It feels like I'm playing a Summoner of the previous FF games now more than ever. I was wrong to think any less of any of you, and I apologize. You guys enjoy the Monk, and I'll be over here enjoying the Summoner. Both classes lost fans but gained new ones, although I was a fan of Summoner since SB.

Tbf, getting people's opinions on things will also always be complicated by how much stake they put on a job's (or its core's) potential vs. its present execution. For instance, I think MNK has about C-tier gameplay, but is only a few tiny changes from being A-tier and a couple more from S-tier. That makes it hard to shit on the job, but I can still be a bit dissatisfied with (and all the while defend its new core mechanics). I suspect it'd be the same for SMN and its phases if I played them in depth, as I think we should have more control over their cycles and timing and there should be more to do in each, but there being elemental phases --in itself-- is very much to my liking and perhaps even preferable to DoT-centric gameplay (so long as the former complexity is eventually made up for).

Why does DRG feel more fast paced than MNK lel?

Dragoon is going to feel quicker just due to all the oGCDs it has. It has been said alot that Monk has too few GCDs. You have RoF every 60 seconds, RoW every 90 seconds, Brotherhood every 120 seconds, Perfect Balance, which are used every minute in the ratio of 2-1 (IE. Start with 2, minute 1, use 1, minute 2, use 2, minute 3, use 1 etc.) then the absolute RNG fest that is TFC. So really, you are looking at a slight busy period at 60 seconds, and a more busy period at 120 seconds and...not much else.

Go to DRG, Lance Charge every 60 seconds, Battle Litany every 120, Life Surge every 45 seconds, Spine Shatter Dive every 60 seconds, Dragon Sight every 120 seconds and then High Jump every 30 seconds, which allows Mirage Dive, 2 of which changes Geirskogul to Nastrod after a use, Nastrond having a 10 second cooldown, which then puts you into LotD which also gives you access to Star Diver effectively once a minute and going by a 2.5 second GCD, you get a Wyrmwind Thrust every 25 seconds.

Despite Dragoon having a slow GCD, because it has so many more oGCDs it will feel busier than Monk. Dragoon has more positionals than Monk and it has more oGCDs. It has basically taken what made Monk unique due to no fault of its own. This is all due to the changes made to Monk.

Guys you can't disregard MNK issue by "people are never happy", that's not a "strong" mentality here.
You didn't like positionals ? Ok, bring something that balance the lose of oGCD and Positionals, don't come up with "we got blitz"...
I like positionals, i don't care if they goes away BUT again bring something on the table, which they haven't accomplish...

You can't came here like "we started at ShB MNK was good and now it's better" disregarding people who have been playing MNK for years at a realm reborn...
Actually MNK feel lackluster, that's the truth especially for those who have been here before ShB.

I feel like they could add in Assassin to bridge the gap between monk, nin, and drg so everyone could have a class they like.