Thread: Monk Positionals 6.0

Personally, I am indifferent about the positional change although it feels little unnecessary. The skills had been tied to positionals for so long that I find myself constantly trying to get the positionals although there is no requirements anymore.

The way I see it I guess it is a matter of taste. Some people like the change (I do also like the fact they removed positionals on bootshine), some people don't. Functionally they are the same but it did dumb down the class a little. I feel like the loss in "extra work" by not having to do positional is offset somewhat by trying to optimize the use of PB and beast chakra finisher due to the finisher providing formless fist, and does not feel like the rotation line up with CDs as well as it did in ShB.

Originally Posted by Vivix

When I heard about less positionals for monk I actually became interested because I always liked classes that punched stuff in other mmos but didn't want to deal with that specific mechanic. I hadn't played monk prior and was never expecting them to remove positionals from the job so I could play it. The main reason I don't play BLM is because I despise Ley Lines but again I would never expect them to remove it so I can enjoy the job and it's kind of sad people don't respect the players that enjoy the current iteration and who have been loyal for so long.

Not trying to be rude or anything, but NOW you're interested in MNK because they happen to remove like "80% of the positionals?" And I know, not every class is meant for people who can't do those certain mechanics. You can still ENJOY the class regardless, but you don't have to execute the positionals. But keep the positionals for the people who actually ENJOYS those type of things, it's what makes MNK.. well MNK. Removing said part of their core will literally hinders their gameplay immersion by a lot.

I was disappointed when they removed almost A LOT of their positionals for certain skills.... and I was happy that they bring back Howling fist and Steel peak.... but those skills aren't "NEW." Maybe to the people who never played MNK during ARR/HW/StB days.

Originally Posted by VeolE

Not trying to be rude or anything, but NOW you're interested in MNK because they happen to remove like "80% of the positionals?" And I know, not every class is meant for people who can't do those certain mechanics. You can still ENJOY the class regardless, but you don't have to execute the positionals. But keep the positionals for the people who actually ENJOYS those type of things, it's what makes MNK.. well MNK. Removing said part of their core will literally hinders their gameplay immersion by a lot.

I was disappointed when they removed almost A LOT of their positionals for certain skills.... and I was happy that they bring back Howling fist and Steel peak.... but those skills aren't "NEW." Maybe to the people who never played MNK during ARR/HW/StB days.

I can't tell if you didn't read through their entire post to see that they were being an ally or are just so mad that you're lashing out at everyone. See:

but again I would never expect them to remove it so I can enjoy the job and it's kind of sad people don't respect the players that enjoy the current iteration and who have been loyal for so long.

I don't like the blitz system and lack of ogcds but I'd put up with that if we still had positionals. I really loved the back and forth flow of the 5.4 rotation - I could do it all day and I frequently did, running mentor roulette for hours on monk.

Monk was the only class I wanted to play and now I'm considering not even leveling it. Please put the positionals back on dragonkick/bootshine.

The way Vivix phrased it makes it sound like they're talking about people who approve of the removed positionals who have played MNK for a long time.

I don't think that's what Vivix meant but I found it confusing too.
That's what '' current iteration '' made me think at first.

Originally Posted by VeolE

Not trying to be rude or anything, but NOW you're interested in MNK because they happen to remove like "80% of the positionals?" And I know, not every class is meant for people who can't do those certain mechanics. You can still ENJOY the class regardless, but you don't have to execute the positionals. But keep the positionals for the people who actually ENJOYS those type of things, it's what makes MNK.. well MNK. Removing said part of their core will literally hinders their gameplay immersion by a lot.

I was disappointed when they removed almost A LOT of their positionals for certain skills.... and I was happy that they bring back Howling fist and Steel peak.... but those skills aren't "NEW." Maybe to the people who never played MNK during ARR/HW/StB days.

Yeah I could have ignored positionals but they seemed like a fundamental part of the job so I wasn't going play a job at a handicap at the expense of players in my groups. It was a fleeting interest but not so much after listening to monk mains.

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

The way Vivix phrased it makes it sound like they're talking about people who approve of the removed positionals who have played MNK for a long time.

I don't think that's what Vivix meant but I found it confusing too.
That's what '' current iteration '' made me think at first.

That was my bad I meant previous iteration for sure.

Originally Posted by Navnav

aesthetically, the monk is highly sought after

Real talk here, no cap

You don't know what you're talking about in the least. You're trolling at best. Two or three trials or raids a DAY? And you only see a monk 2-3 times a month? You do know what happened recently to the job, right? Maybe that ought to tell you something.

Monk has been "aesthetically desireable", yet has been one of the most underplayed jobs throughout the game's lifecycle. This, despite SquareEnix changing the job multiple times, with every expansion, twice within Shadowbringers, to try an alleviate "painpoints" brought up by people who don't even play the job regularly. The removal of Greased Lightning didn't change the number of monks in endgame content in a positive fashion. In fact, per FF.logs, it was still in the bottom three of jobs submitting logs to that site.

Oversimplification does not work. As a tank main, you should have a pretty good perspective on how that's working out for tanks right now. Healers know it all too well. Removal of positionals comes after literal years of reducing their value specifically to appeal to boosters who whined that they had to put in a little more effort to stand on one side of a mob's targeting circle or the other to do more damage.

If you don't like people who actually played the job for a considerable amount of time complaining about it and discussing the current state it's in for Endwalker, why are you even in this bloody thread?