Thread: Monk Positionals 6.0

it is that bad, no ogcds, almost nothing happening between gcds outside of the odd TFC/enlightment outside of brotherhood effect, ogcds having weird recast timers making the gameplay feel too disjointed, and the masterfull blitzzes are just barely unrewarding busywork and a buff what goes unoticed(riddle of wind)
i say this much, players what reach lvl 60 monk, will likely to drop it somewhere between 60 to 90 due to how hardly changes from then

Best thing is to just get used to it. MNK really is looking top tier currently.

The truly unfortunate thing on display here is that most of you don't want what is best for the game, just what is best for you. The changes to MNK were necessary, I do like two trials or raids a day and see 1 monk in a group maybe 2-3 times a month.

Understand that you are the minority here, square made a smart move with what they did, because aesthetically, the monk is highly sought after, but when many played it, they were put off. These changes help more people to play more, as they will finally have a job they loved the look of be accessible to them now. It is that simple. The current MNK players will never pull in the revenue of the new incoming monks, as there were not very many of you to begin with unfortunately.

Life deals hard blows,just be glad this blow has no real world consequences and move on.

Originally Posted by Navnav

I sympathise, but it is hardly THAT bad. When they come and change monk into a ranged physical class, then the outlandish outrage by some on here would be justified. But you literally lost some positionals, like just positionals... Problem is square were so lazy to make melee mechanics that actually required thinking they just threw in positionals, you guys fell for that misdirection, and now you are salty because things are actually moving on the right track.

The whinning over essentially a change for the better is mind boggling, especially as you can still do them if you wish, move left and move right. Positionals!

What is wrong with you? You symphatise and in the next sentence we just got misdirected? We´re just whiny? Since when do you play this game, mid SHB?!


You´ve actually NO clue about game-design. I´ve played a bunch of any other MMORPG´s and positionals are still a unique aspect. Don´t tell me you´ve to think much about "Which skill to use next?" in other Trinity games like SWTOR and WoW. You play around your hardhitters with your ressources and that´s it. On top you´ve only 1,5 GCD time and like zero oGCD´s.
FF14 is way different. Instead of priority skills on any classes but phys. ranges, you play a strict rotation and you just adjust a barely to different circumstances. On top you stuck with a 2,5s GCD time, which lasts in a lot of free time on non-casting classes. That´s why so many oGCD´s and stuff like positionals exist. I gives you something to do, put you under pressure and you want to keep your GCD´s rolling to match any burstphases together.
Positonals do always put you under pressure in some way especially with RNG mechanic, different safespots, a tank who needs to move, you always have to adjust.

If SE doesn´t change the whole system and gives us way more speed, then it´s not really possible to keep the players busy with a great mechanically system. It´ll always be "just another button" or "just another gauge".
The current blitz is just a worse mix of SAM´s midare and NIN´s mudra. You´ve only 3 skillcombos and you want to use only 2 of them. And if you´ve your 2 marks you go for a finisher outside of your real burstphase. And for such a lazy concept like this, we lost pretty much everything on MNK but 123,456.

Originally Posted by Navnav

Best thing is to just get used to it. MNK really is looking top tier currently.

The truly unfortunate thing on display here is that most of you don't want what is best for the game, just what is best for you. The changes to MNK were necessary, I do like two trials or raids a day and see 1 monk in a group maybe 2-3 times a month.

Understand that you are the minority here, square made a smart move with what they did, because aesthetically, the monk is highly sought after, but when many played it, they were put off. These changes help more people to play more, as they will finally have a job they loved the look of be accessible to them now. It is that simple. The current MNK players will never pull in the revenue of the new incoming monks, as there were not very many of you to begin with unfortunately.

Life deals hard blows,just be glad this blow has no real world consequences and move on.

Do you even know what "top tier" means? I guess not and i highly doubt you´ve found a decent rotation to make it actually happen.

Imo we´re definately the majority. I can´t and have never seen more players being like "positionals are dumb, get ride of them" than i´ve seen real MNK and overall melee players using and enjoying them. The most casuals are more like "Oh... melee.... no please.....". Not to mention that the big female fraction normally stay on healer / range classes like WHM, SCH, SMN or DNC. (No this is no LGBTXYZ bs... it´s the truth for those sweethearts to prefer something "cute")

And all what you claim is "aesthetically". Like wow! You know what? The latest version of MNK, the 5.3 one... had nothing to care about. For any content, which was not savage, you´ve been able to ignore the positionals and be fine with it. That was definately easier to perform for any "aesthetic-player" out there than going for the current blitz rotation, which lasts in an awkward rotation with "trapskills".

Seriously you´ve no clue what you´re talking about and definately no game-sense. Call it however you want, but since the beginning of the year you´ve been that selfish guy like "I love DRG positionals, but please get ride of MNK positionals, so it plays like DRG! All for its aesthetic!"
None of the MNK mains went on anoher class playing the badass like "Give it more positionals! I want MNK 2.0 with a Katana!".
We just want a unique class aspect to stay. I say the same about NIN and his mudras even if i don´t find any enjoyment in the class. It´s unique and should stay. And i would say the same about any other unique aspects of any class, but sadly we don´t have much left! (e.g. RIP Nocturnal)

Go for a poll in 1 month, i promise even less ppl play MNK than before. FF.logs will underline this statement.

EDIT: MNK got changed so often, but the playerbase NEVER grow. It won´t grow with just another dumbdown too. It just shows that SE gives af about any serious MNK player been here for ages.

When I heard about less positionals for monk I actually became interested because I always liked classes that punched stuff in other mmos but didn't want to deal with that specific mechanic. I hadn't played monk prior and was never expecting them to remove positionals from the job so I could play it. The main reason I don't play BLM is because I despise Ley Lines but again I would never expect them to remove it so I can enjoy the job and it's kind of sad people don't respect the players that enjoy the previous iteration and who have been loyal for so long.