Thread: Monk Positionals 6.0

Originally Posted by Cizal

I've played monk since arr and this is by far the worst the job has ever felt to play. Blitzes aren't interesting as they're currently designed, and especially not enough to warrant dumping every positional and every ogcd besides chakra based ones supposedly in service of them. Hoping for a miracle accident like in 4.3 again that makes everything work but more likely i'm just gonna end up switching jobs entirely cuz what's the point of playing a job that's basically just mashing together sam and nin's major mechanics in a worse way when i could play either of them instead?

Honestly I'd rather take a significant CD reduction to Perfect Balance with some potency nerfs to make up for it.
The Job just feels so empty, especially now that the lack of positionals have sunk in and are on my mind, before I instinctually kept moving but now that I am not and I am just moving back and forth to get ready for Snap Punch or Demolish it's so booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring....

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Honestly I'd rather take a significant CD reduction to Perfect Balance with some potency nerfs to make up for it.
The Job just feels so empty, especially now that the lack of positionals have sunk in and are on my mind, before I instinctually kept moving but now that I am not and I am just moving back and forth to get ready for Snap Punch or Demolish it's so booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring....

They should retool anatman and six sided star. Turn them into proper OGCDs or something to fill the niches tornado kick and elixir field used to or something.

Unfortunately I’ll also be forced to switch. The job feels awful in comparison to what we had. Which is disheartening as I wanted to get through Endwalkers as Monk.

Nothing to do about it at this point.

Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

Unfortunately I’ll also be forced to switch. The job feels awful in comparison to what we had. Which is disheartening as I wanted to get through Endwalkers as Monk.

Nothing to do about it at this point.

Yeah I've been maining monk since I joined this game in Heavensward and I don't know. This just doesn't feel like monk anymore. It's slow. It's clunky. It feels like the monk I had so much fun with in spite of everything just isn't there anymore. Which is ultimately ironic because a lot of issues the bloated blitz system has are the exact same issues the greased lightning mechanic imposed on monk. I'll probably just play paladin or gunbreaker I guess. I like those two classes a bunch. Or maybe play dancer or red mage. I didn't really like any of the other melee dps classes, and now monk just feels like another melee dps class like samurai or ninja.

while I may not have main'd Monk as long as others, I only started out in Shb. but the feeling of losing my positionals is quite heartbreaking, and now I still find myself moving to the positional they initially had.
This rework has both good and bad, what I like about the rework is that i'm not strictly locked into using dragon kick or bootshine since formless fist is given out so freely. however, what I dislike is how delayed the burst phase is. I mean sure our attacks crits with big numbers but it takes too long to get to our finisher.
At this point, i'm still trying to find a good opener...

Look lets be real here, no cap.

I can sympathise with you old school monks predicament. I used to main Survival Hunter on WoW and loved it to bits man, then blizz went full retard and turned into melee... I was FUMING, as were many others. Turns out they thought the only ranged physical class needed to lose a ranged spec in favour of a melee one when there were already like 11 or so. Because of this reason, I will lay off of telling you guys how giddy i am with the changes to MNK, as I know it comes at your expense.

Sorry you lost something you enjoy.

Originally Posted by Navnav

Look lets be real here, no cap.

I can sympathise with you old school monks predicament. I used to main Survival Hunter on WoW and loved it to bits man, then blizz went full retard and turned into melee... I was FUMING, as were many others. Turns out they thought the only ranged physical class needed to lose a ranged spec in favour of a melee one when there were already like 11 or so. Because of this reason, I will lay off of telling you guys how giddy i am with the changes to MNK, as I know it comes at your expense.

Sorry you lost something you enjoy.

There is a fundamental difference between a job completely switching role and a job having something it has been known for removed almost entirely. However, in your example, you state that you were upset, rightfully so, however, what were other people's reaction? Did they all oppose it, were there some that looked forward to it. I have no knowledge of WoW except from 3rd hand accounts, so I cannot speak on that matter, however, if it was a vocal minority that opposed the change with the overwhelming majority not wanting it to be changed, then it is the same situation.

However, it is also worth noting that whilst Monk has lost most of its positionals, they are incredibly devastating to lose. There is no reason why they cannot just split the potency and apread them out again. 20 potency for every positional hit. I would even go as far as saying, keep the auto crit on Bootshine as long as you are in Opo-opo and just have a potency increase for hitting the rear. You still get the guaranteed Chakra stack no matter what, but it also allows for the potential to min/max damage.

We already know missed positionals don't matter except in higher skill content, so why not allow those of us who want to strive to be better be allowed to do it. It isn't going to change how the job plays, just a bit of missed potency here and there, which, in the grand scheme of things, is nothing.

Originally Posted by Mikey_R

There is a fundamental difference between a job completely switching role and a job having something it has been known for removed almost entirely. However, in your example, you state that you were upset, rightfully so, however, what were other people's reaction? Did they all oppose it, were there some that looked forward to it. I have no knowledge of WoW except from 3rd hand accounts, so I cannot speak on that matter, however, if it was a vocal minority that opposed the change with the overwhelming majority not wanting it to be changed, then it is the same situation.

However, it is also worth noting that whilst Monk has lost most of its positionals, they are incredibly devastating to lose. There is no reason why they cannot just split the potency and apread them out again. 20 potency for every positional hit. I would even go as far as saying, keep the auto crit on Bootshine as long as you are in Opo-opo and just have a potency increase for hitting the rear. You still get the guaranteed Chakra stack no matter what, but it also allows for the potential to min/max damage.

We already know missed positionals don't matter except in higher skill content, so why not allow those of us who want to strive to be better be allowed to do it. It isn't going to change how the job plays, just a bit of missed potency here and there, which, in the grand scheme of things, is nothing.

There was a portion that thought there should be a melee-inclusive Hunter spec, but that it should be BM.
There was a portion who were okayed the upcoming change only on the condition that they could still experience the former 6.3-era SV gameplay in the Marksmanship spec (and quickly felt cheated when the skills moved from Survival to Marksmanship were mere lipservice and did not allow for the former playflow).
There was a much larger portion who wanted nothing to do with it and posited that MM and SV could be further differentiated without having to change SV into damn near a different class.
And there were some who weren't fond of WoD SV but tried out Legion's and really enjoyed it more than either other spec, even if they might not have approved with the change on principle.

Personally, I liked both WoD SV (a pure ranged spec, as it's always been, despite whatever some wonky historical revisionism may suggest) and Legion's melee SV. But I think the latter should have been a 4th spec (call it... Pursuit or whatnot) and SV should have defined itself apart from MM through further use of its tech / gadgetry.

What's worth noting, though, is that Legion SV ended up cohesive and noticeably more complex (especially in meta builds) than what it replaced, and had some serious identity and cohesion, even if it was hard to fit into many scenarios. It wasn't formed by just gutting the existing spec and then copying over a watered-down form of another spec's gimmick to feign some substance to what remained.

Originally Posted by Mikey_R

There is a fundamental difference between a job completely switching role and a job having something it has been known for removed almost entirely. However, in your example, you state that you were upset, rightfully so, however, what were other people's reaction? Did they all oppose it, were there some that looked forward to it. I have no knowledge of WoW except from 3rd hand accounts, so I cannot speak on that matter, however, if it was a vocal minority that opposed the change with the overwhelming majority not wanting it to be changed, then it is the same situation.

However, it is also worth noting that whilst Monk has lost most of its positionals, they are incredibly devastating to lose. There is no reason why they cannot just split the potency and apread them out again. 20 potency for every positional hit. I would even go as far as saying, keep the auto crit on Bootshine as long as you are in Opo-opo and just have a potency increase for hitting the rear. You still get the guaranteed Chakra stack no matter what, but it also allows for the potential to min/max damage.

We already know missed positionals don't matter except in higher skill content, so why not allow those of us who want to strive to be better be allowed to do it. It isn't going to change how the job plays, just a bit of missed potency here and there, which, in the grand scheme of things, is nothing.

I sympathise, but it is hardly THAT bad. When they come and change monk into a ranged physical class, then the outlandish outrage by some on here would be justified. But you literally lost some positionals, like just positionals... Problem is square were so lazy to make melee mechanics that actually required thinking they just threw in positionals, you guys fell for that misdirection, and now you are salty because things are actually moving on the right track.

The whinning over essentially a change for the better is mind boggling, especially as you can still do them if you wish, move left and move right. Positionals!