Thread: Monk Positionals 6.0

Originally Posted by jerome15

so on fflogs checking total number of parses, monk is 2nd from the bottom on trials and 3rd from the bottom on dungeons. 2/3 of the positionals have been removed, but it's still at the bottom in terms of people playing it. curious what the excuse is now that people aren't playing it since you seem to think it was the positionals

MNK fell off hard in SHB - its going o take some time to get more people wanting to play as it.
Right now, MNK damage is HUGE.

After the balance patch we can go back and see what things look like - but if MNK damage stays at the top like this, more people will play it.

Originally Posted by nelothi

MNK fell off hard in SHB - its going o take some time to get more people wanting to play as it.
Right now, MNK damage is HUGE.

After the balance patch we can go back and see what things look like - but if MNK damage stays at the top like this, more people will play it.

As far as i remember MNK has been top damage in early Shb too, but the playercount didn´t increased. The most ppl play whatever they want, not because it´s some DPS meta.

Originally Posted by ssunny2008

As far as i remember MNK has been top damage in early Shb too, but the playercount didn´t increased. The most ppl play whatever they want, not because it´s some DPS meta.

Exactly.

Damage has never been the complaint monk players have had. The complaints have been the long line of questionable decisions that the developers have made when adding and removing skills from the job in Stormblood, Shadowbringers, and now again in Endwalker. And to make it worse, it's a job that has felt like it's regressed over the years rather than evolve like other jobs have. I wouldn't be surprised to see, even, that monk players numbers are even lower than before with many people like myself dropping the job entirely after the most recent changes. Reaper and summoner have taken a lot of players from a lot of jobs, and monk was already at risk of losing players.

Originally Posted by nelothi

MNK fell off hard in SHB - its going o take some time to get more people wanting to play as it.
Right now, MNK damage is HUGE.

After the balance patch we can go back and see what things look like - but if MNK damage stays at the top like this, more people will play it.

Damage wasn't the problem with Monk in Shadowbringers, and fewer people played it in endgame content despite this. Monk was consistently among the top 5 dps in the game.

Monk's current standing on that site, which again only reflects people who bother to use the tools to submit parses there, comes after:

-4 positionals removed
-Greased Lightning removed.
-Elemental Bloatfists removed
-Fancy animations added for Blitz.

High damage or fancy animations alone don't actually make a job popular. More people are bringing Bards, Machinists, Summoners, and Dancers into endgame content. Why do you think that is?

Originally Posted by IruruCece

High damage or fancy animations alone don't actually make a job popular. More people are bringing Bards, Machinists, Summoners, and Dancers into endgame content. Why do you think that is?

It's not as if Dancers, Bards, and Machinists offer much more than fancy animations, though. Summoner at least has rez to make up for its low dps. The rest are just barrel-bottoms with, if one exempts "fancy animations", no redeeming feature beyond "I really, really like procs!" or "I really, really don't like doing anything but 1-2-3 cycling while hitting whatever CDs pop up."

[QUOTE=ssunny2008;5722061][QUOTE=Navnav;5722008] as it would be way too complex for anyone that didn't have a star brain IQ.

So old MNK mains who main´d it at every time and have been comfortable with GL have a star brain IQ?! So in which universe does an underevolved human has something to say against the opinion of star brains?

And where is the vocal minority? All i see are the same 3-4 guys over and over again moaning about positionals. Sounds more like a minority on that side SE tries to cater for whatever reason. Those who´ve been fine with MNK´s positionals are the majority for sure.
If moving from left to the right meanwhile doing Blitz is too much to you, then you´re just not a good player. The changes are a joke. There is no depth or any challenge left on MNK. Just another braindead design to cater the left-handed.

Thats the thing though, moving left and right every gcd isnt hard, it is just annoying busy work for the sake of it. Glad they got rid of the positionals they did. Great move.

I am going report players calling others stupid over not likng positionals. That is not on, you might be mad, but keep that energy for square, they made the changes, not the players.

Originally Posted by ssunny2008

If you feel insulted because i advanced your own post, do whatever you want. I couldn´t care less.

The new MNK is a joke and far away from having some flow to play with. We got less to do and pointless 1 button spams.
What´s even the point of Celestial Revolution??? Just a "missclick-safer"? It´s a joke... the whole rework is a fat joke.
Using PB for 123 or DK / BS spam. It has no real fluent and you just stuck on one place. Why should even anyone care about the 60 potency on demolish every 18s? MNK plays really bad and boring now and ppl will get this fast enough.

Believe it or not, it was the best change they could have made for the job. For every monk player that leaves, another will replace them. I don't think there were many MNK players in the first place.

Originally Posted by Navnav

Believe it or not, it was the best change they could have made for the job. For every monk player that leaves, another will replace them. I don't think there were many MNK players in the first place.

If Monk gets one player for every 1 that leaves, then it is still in the same place it was before, however, how many of those new players will actually stick with the job long term? I doubt many will, which will cause the Monk population to decrease even further. You should never alienate your core playerbase for a job as it is these players who know what is wrong with their job and what needs to be fixed.