Thread: Monk Positionals 6.0

it's unfortunate, but i feel like they're kind of just testing the waters with these changes. i think they planned them out before even media tour, but figured it would be easier to digest at 2 separate times (twin/true first and then boot/dk later). that or they put conflicting information in the job guide to see how people would react and if there's too much backlash they can easily just go "my bad, the skills at the top are wrong, boot/dk didn't lose positionals," but if there's no much resistance they can go ahead and get rid of the 4. just my thoughts.

Originally Posted by jerome15

it's unfortunate, but i feel like they're kind of just testing the waters with these changes. i think they planned them out before even media tour, but figured it would be easier to digest at 2 separate times (twin/true first and then boot/dk later). that or they put conflicting information in the job guide to see how people would react and if there's too much backlash they can easily just go "my bad, the skills at the top are wrong, boot/dk didn't lose positionals," but if there's no much resistance they can go ahead and get rid of the 4. just my thoughts.

Seriously... removing even 1! positional is too much. There is no need to remove any of them. They just take possibilities to grow, to get better or to optimize the output away from the class. Not to mention the whole fun aspect which comes from being mobile at any time. I would always prefer positionals on any skill (even oGCD´s) instead of a Blitz-mechanic, which is nothing but 123 - burst, 123 - burst from any other class. The rinse and repeat rotations without any positioning and stuff is nothing but boring.

Originally Posted by ssunny2008

It´s around 80%... then you´ve like 18% in gold / plat and only ~2% in diamond+.

And they do a good job by "catering" only the upper 2% when we talk about balancing and stuff. If you would start to cater the 80%, the game would go nuts since everything is going to be braindead overpowered. Not saying, that it´s not the case somehow, but stuff like world championships couldn´t be a thing. That´s why any feedback, which should be kept in mind when we talk about gameplay, should come from years long mains and top players, not those who either can´t play their class or jump on the metatrain at any time.

I mean yes and no. I'd say a large majority of the player base is asking for more Glamour Plates. Just because it doesn't come [only] from the long-time players doesn't mean it's any less of a valid request. However taking your statement and generalizing it to the game verses class changes seems unfair and I see where you're coming from. If a large majority of players aren't able to keep up with positionals, I feel there are better ways to go about it. Base damage increase and just lower the potency payoff from 60 to 40 perhaps. Positionals have done well to keep melee DPS unique from other MMORPGs and even if some players don't like it, Square Enix should recognize that it does well to set them apart from their competitors (Not that their competitors are doing so well at the moment).

With that aside, I can understand some feedback from (how to put...) the lesser veteraned players being a good indicator of where the learning curve is, but the curve itself shouldn't be tangled to that all players feel immediately mastering a class before it's even max level....

Pour one out for the jobs losing even more of what made them unique.

Well. I wanted to change mains from MCH to have more of a skill ceiling, but...gosh. If I wasn't a slave to aesthetic I'd maybe look elsewhere.

Sigh. I instinctively feel devils-advocate with these things most of the time, and sure every 3rd gcd in general will be positional, but...ehhhhhh. I don't know. My reaction is negative. Maybe the increased speed if true will offset that void, but I feel like it's replacing joy of execution with joy of...ease? When I signed up for MCH I wanted a complex support. It makes sense why it is how it is now and I could make peace and move on. I've mained MNK before, and I was signing back up for "the dance" and now it's baby's first melee. I know Heavensward had too much complexity across the board but come on...I'm not knocking those who like simpler classes either, I just...arghghg it's frustrating on a personal level when all the classes I love lose what I love about them even if it brings others to the job.

I'll likely still go through the story on it and give it a chance but I don't see why this was necessary. Is it because Mr Happy asked for more speed in his interview? I don't get it, apart from pre pull timer wonkiness and Anatman being the most passive-aggresive skill in the game people were singing it's praises from the media tour.

Jesus Christ i really hope they lowered GCD from 2,5s to 2,0, if not i'm gonna be mad with this mess...
I kinda understand why they remove positionals when you have 1,6s skill speed but pleaaaase lower GCD or give us back positionals otherwise the forum will burn lol !

Removing positionals from Monk is really like removing the fire jump of DRG, breaking even more identity, more boring, 123 Blitz is not funny...
But... Hey let's cool down a bit and try out before the keyboard get his life ended : )

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

They didn't, we're going to be far less busy now most of the time and the gameplay will be far more repetitive outside of Perfect Balance.

Edit: As a side-note.
I think that they're going to undo this, the overall feedback from MNK players is overwhelmingly negative.
The same goes for MNK players who do guides and Youtube videos, the overall consensus is very clear and most of the contrarians don't even play MNK to begin with and probably won't still.
And I bet it's even louder on the JP Forums.

It's not only this either there are other issues too ( particularly with our opener ), I think that MNK is going to be revisited in a later patch.

Yes! I believe there's hope my brethren! I'll never complain about losing Raptor Form positionals again if they do this.

It'd be so frustrating and somebody called it earlier in this forum to try to test the waters if they can try to do that and be like "haha oops! Typo!" when the intention was to test the waters and check the backlash.