New roulette idea: Minimum Item level

[NegativeS]

how about an iron man roulette, death is permanent so if the dragoon starts tanking the floor after the first mob they'll continue to tank the floor until the dungeon is complete or everyone is tanking the floor

Idea sounds nice, but I don't think I'm ready to have my neck wrung by a SAM who didn't read the roulette he queued for and proceeded to jump headfirst off a cliff...

[van_arn]

While minilvl would be an interesting roulette, I'd rather they just make ilvl sync more sensible for the older content. It's not fair to call older stuff "easy" because that implies difficulty; too much of it's straight up free right now. Free shouldn't be possible as long as you're synced; that's sync malfunctioning.

[Fyrebrand]

While minilvl would be an interesting roulette, I'd rather they just make ilvl sync more sensible for the older content. It's not fair to call older stuff "easy" because that implies difficulty; too much of it's straight up free right now. Free shouldn't be possible as long as you're synced; that's sync malfunctioning.

Totally agree.

Also, making an entirely separate roulette for this does nothing to help newbies get through MSQ -- perhaps worse, it would take players out of those roulettes.

[ItMe]

Also, making an entirely separate roulette for this does nothing to help newbies get through MSQ -- perhaps worse, it would take players out of those roulettes.

Ooooh, that's a good point.

[Endariel]

It will just make said trials and dungeons unnecessary longer without really increasing difficulty as they are per definition story content, thus tuned to be laughingly easy

[kaynide]

Alternative idea.
Since roulette is largely designed to keep older content stocked with players (especially to keep queue times down), how about the following:

1) upon completing the normal easy roulette for the day, you can then do a “hardmode” roulette that is minimum iLVL.
2) you would be encouraged to do this in preformed parties, but not required to.
3) abandoning it for any reason forfeits your hardmode chance for the day.
4) similarly, wiping ends the dungeon for the day.
5) The rewards will be something different entirely; some kind of special currency that can be traded for things, possibly relic related or mount totems.
6) possibly additional tomestones?
-becomes available upon reaching current cap and finishing current MSQ, relocking with each expansion-

[Jeeqbit]

I would like this.

[Novae]

I don't know if it's necessary. I see people in 525-530 playing like they were wearing min ilvl everyday.

[Ranaku]

It already exists and it's called group finder. Throwing 8 random people into a fight they probably didn't learned for in a training group is a crazy idea at best and would lead to just...yeah...nothing really cause even one bad apple would spoil the whole thing especially on min itemlevel without echo.

Newbies would que for it and can't get a clear, veterans could que for it and wouldn't get it done either. And if they que again you get thrown into a different one which especially for newbies would be a overload on information since we can estimate that in 90min you won't get a clear with a completely randomized group on the hardest difficulty the game offers. Better stick to the existing tools and learn specific fights, no need to throw yourself randomly into the meatgrinder, not even if it gives you more than msq roulette.

[Leonerdo]

It shouldn't be a roulette, as other people have mentioned. Doing random hard content with random people won't work.

But yes, I'd like more Unreal fights. Just extend that system to dungeons and raids, and put them on a more frequent rotation, if possible. But that would take a lot more work from SQEX to re-tune the really old fights. Min-ilvl is a poor approximation of intended difficulty for level 50-60, since expansions have changed so many systems and abilities.

I kinda doubt that will happen though. Most people who want to "experience the content as intended" just do it once and move on. It's not very popular to farm it. I mean, I've been able to do Unreal every week for faux leaves, but it's never more than 2 groups in PF at a time (a learning and a farm party at most), and they get pretty rare by the end the of week.

I think we're better off just using PF for min-ilvl fun runs.
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But I will absolutely advocate for improving the ilvl sync on existing roulettes. They don't need to be "hard", but they shouldn't become braindead after two patches. It's fine if the content get out-geared A LITTLE BIT over time. A bit easier for the casual players, less likely to wipe, less of a pain to farm every day (especially if you get an old one you don't remember well). However, the extent to which gear can trivialize some of these duties is ridiculous.

Raids don't have an ilvl sync, so the first tier (4 raids, 1 alliance raid) of each expansion have absolutely no threat at all (except the ones where you can fall off the arena). "Expert" dungeons are synced but the cap is still too high, especially considering they're tuned for behind-the-curve players. They feel out-geared on the first run, and continue to get easier from there. Somehow leveling dungeons/trials are the only ones with any challenge, because they have the strictest syncing.

We shouldn't skip half the mechanics because DPS is so inflated. Tank busters should do more than 1/3 of the tanks HP. Repeated mistakes should kill you. It shouldn't be possible to reach 8 vuln stacks and live. (Visit the healer sub-forum for more complaints about their job being obsolete in old content.)

I don't want roulettes to be hard, but they shouldn't lose every onze of threat by the end of an expansion because of ilvls.