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    Quote Originally Posted by Zdenka View Post
    And since its also a Fantasy game, real physics don't always have to apply.
    Surely you jest!

    (Hides all footage of FF4's moon segment, FF6's floating continent segment, every scene in FF7 related to Meteor and the entire final act of FF8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impulse View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushy View Post
    as close as it is now the earth would already be feeling the gravitational effects, BUT ITS JUST A GAME i remind myself
    But its not a planet or a moon but a giant mechanism created by the Allagan Empire long ago.
    Doesn't mean it can't have its own gravitational pull.
    Dalamud is obviously very small, so small, in fact, that it would have no gravitational effect on the planet by falling
    Hell, even if the BIG moon fell, the only gravitational effect would be on the water (Because it is moving and therefore easier to be affected by the moons gravitational pull)
    The biggest thing that would change if the "Big Moon" fell would be be that the planet would no longer orbit the barycenter. Since the planet doesn't appear to "Orbit" the moon, it is assumed that the barycenter is within the planet, meaning the planet's size is much larger than that of even the larger moon

    Also, since there has been no change in the day/night cycle or the planet's rotation, then it is assumed that Dalamud is not large enough to have effected the Barycenter in any noticeable way and is therefore not large enough to cause any type of large-scale gravitational tidal anomolies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    Dalamud is obviously very small, so small, in fact, that it would have no gravitational effect on the planet by falling
    Hell, even if the BIG moon fell, the only gravitational effect would be on the water (Because it is moving and therefore easier to be affected by the moons gravitational pull)
    The biggest thing that would change if the "Big Moon" fell would be be that the planet would no longer orbit the barycenter. Since the planet doesn't appear to "Orbit" the moon, it is assumed that the barycenter is within the planet, meaning the planet's size is much larger than that of even the larger moon

    Also, since there has been no change in the day/night cycle or the planet's rotation, then it is assumed that Dalamud is not large enough to have effected the Barycenter in any noticeable way and is therefore not large enough to cause any type of large-scale gravitational tidal anomolies
    again i post http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dalamud

    This change is said to be affecting sea currents, crops, and even the behaviour of monsters and their size.

    IT EFFECTED THE MONSTER SIZE. in fact around that same time every monster doubled in size, explain that with your science!

    (or was it just an excuse to why they scaled all the monsters models to huge)
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    Do you think Nael Van Darnus has this song stuck in his head?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU&ob=av2e

    on his way to work this must have been the last song he heard on the radio
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    Quote Originally Posted by sorahitoshi View Post
    I though it was a moon
    That's no moon...
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    its a moon

    also looking at past notes, where can I find this monster:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushy View Post
    again i post http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dalamud

    This change is said to be affecting sea currents, crops, and even the behaviour of monsters and their size.

    IT EFFECTED THE MONSTER SIZE. in fact around that same time every monster doubled in size, explain that with your science!

    (or was it just an excuse to why they scaled all the monsters models to huge)
    In our world, there are 4 major Interactions (forces)
    Gravitation, electromagnetism, strong interaction (The force that holds atoms together) and weak interaction (radioactive particle decay)
    In our universe, gravitation is the weakest of the 4 forces...

    In Eorzea, all of these are present, along with a possible 5th interaction... Aetherial Energy

    So without testing (which would be impossible, mind you, being that we are referring to a 3D virtual construct) it is impossible to say these changes would have anything to do with gravitation.

    In fact, there is no possible way any gravitational anomaly would result in any solid mass becoming larger in size

    It is very likely that the Allagan tech that was used to send a man made structure into the sky, to possibly be used as a weapon would highly effected by (or completely made possible by) Aetherial forces

    It is also likely that these terrestrial changes (sea currents, crops, and even the behaviour of monsters and their size) are a result of Aetherial interaction or at the very least, one of the three major interactions that is not gravitation.

    In short... its not the gravity, it's the Aether

    But at the end of the day, that is all pointless...
    The real point is that the ancient man made moon is falling and that means big changes for Eorzea

    Quote Originally Posted by Mushy View Post
    also looking at past notes, where can I find this monster:

    I want to say he was a familiar for the Archon in one of the company quests... also they are minions summoned by the boss inside the Kobold stronghold
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    If you look closely at Dalamund, the blue lines that glow on occasion form almost perfect hexagons. Gives the moon that mechanical flavor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushy View Post
    its a moon

    also looking at past notes, where can I find this monster:

    It's not a moon, as my chat with Cid for the most recent twin adder GC quest for Garuda made quite clear. It is a large mechanism created by the Allagan Empire. They attempted to bring the 'moon' down 10 years ago, but failed, and in doing so they destroyed the reception antenna. Cid goes on to pontificate how it is that the Empire intends to control Dalamud with the antenna no longer working, and that Nael Van Darnus has been "sending" the Aether he siphoned from the primals Ifrit and Garuda directly to Dalamud. He also, rather ominously states that there is "very little chance they would attempt to bring Dalamud down to Eorzea if there was any risk of it landing within the Empire's borders".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    Dalamud is obviously very small, so small, in fact, that it would have no gravitational effect on the planet by falling
    Hell, even if the BIG moon fell, the only gravitational effect would be on the water (Because it is moving and therefore easier to be affected by the moons gravitational pull)
    The biggest thing that would change if the "Big Moon" fell would be be that the planet would no longer orbit the barycenter. Since the planet doesn't appear to "Orbit" the moon, it is assumed that the barycenter is within the planet, meaning the planet's size is much larger than that of even the larger moon

    Also, since there has been no change in the day/night cycle or the planet's rotation, then it is assumed that Dalamud is not large enough to have effected the Barycenter in any noticeable way and is therefore not large enough to cause any type of large-scale gravitational tidal anomolies
    Actually if any planet were to lose a moon that was previously in orbit around it, there would be more than just tidal changes. I am not sure also how you can say that a gravitational pull does not exist but then mention how it will affect the tides. The gravitational pull is what creates the tides. Water is on the planet...therefore, moons do affect planets.

    Wait! There is more! If we lose our moon by it not existing or falling out of orbit, the Earth's rotation would be affected and speed up. It is the dynamic of distance, pull, momentum that causes us to rotate at the speed we do. We would end up with only the Sun's pull which would cause our day to be 1/2 to 2/3 shorter. The faster rotation would mean great changes for everyone...think of the surface winds, the 8-12 hour days, so many other things affected by this. In the game it translates to what was mentioned...the sea, the crops, the monsters, etc.l

    Your use of barycentre is wrong. A barycentre is the center of mass, not the center of a planet. A center of mass is established like the moon(s) rotation and the planet in balance with each other. Our Earth does not sit and spin. It rotates and orbits along a fixed line that is in balance with the bodies around it, that are also doing the same thing. That spot, that center which the earth and its bodies orbit in balance is your barycentre...your center of gravity/center of mass.
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