Still a penalty to leave dungeon even when you stay past the initial 30 minute mark?

[Sekurity]

This could be useful during times when kicking them is not an option.
You shouldn't have to be stuck between a rock and a hard place just because you don't wanna carry someone.

Exactly. I'm not calling for a drastic change like remove all penalties. Simply a re-examination of the penalty process. If the group doesnt want to vote to abandon, then the person who can't stay anymore or doesn't want to stay anymore is the one being penalized. There's better solutions.

I don't think in my situation, kicking would have been fair to the 2 people that were just awful. The healer being one of them, then I as a Red Mage, had to help heal, and even that wasn't helping the healer enough to make any difference. If they wanted to continue with the instance, by all means, that's their right, and I have no issues with that. But for me to be forced to play with them, simply to not incur a penalty, and probably would have to spend a total of 1hour 30mins more in that instance is absurd.