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    SaberMaxwell's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setesh45 View Post
    Okay, so RDM has worse mobility than BLM?
    On demand? Arguably. A black mage can if needed line up all it's mobility skills (triple cast 1/min, xeno 2/min, swift 1/min, sharp 2/min (could be once cannot check atm) and random procs) for a very solid amount of movement time that rdm cannot match with cast+dualcast.

    Is it ideal for a blm to do that? Not necessarily, hence my statement "arguably." Also I see you didn't ask about Summoner who currently has so much mobility that it has a "casting phase."
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    Inglis Eucus
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    Pretty sure most the classes is just as easy to play as a rdm.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    On demand? Arguably. A black mage can if needed line up all it's mobility skills (triple cast 1/min, xeno 2/min, swift 1/min, sharp 2/min (could be once cannot check atm) and random procs) for a very solid amount of movement time that rdm cannot match with cast+dualcast.
    This is accurate. Adding in reverse rescue every 10s and Between The Lines, the amount of instants and movement tools they’re giving to BLM is just insane. Being plannable ahead of time also gives them an edge. If there’s anything immobile, that title goes to the current WHM.

    RDM can extend their movement window with E.Reprise but there’s only so much they can do before they start pushing back their melee combo. Melee combo, while also providing a good 10s of mobility, it also comes with melee-limitations should the encounter’s mechanic dictates so.
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    Shoralral Shoral
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    This is accurate. Adding in reverse rescue every 10s and Between The Lines, the amount of instants and movement tools they’re giving to BLM is just insane. Being plannable ahead of time also gives them an edge. If there’s anything immobile, that title goes to the current WHM.

    RDM can extend their movement window with E.Reprise but there’s only so much they can do before they start pushing back their melee combo. Melee combo, while also providing a good 10s of mobility, it also comes with melee-limitations should the encounter’s mechanic dictates so.
    Eh constant movement ability without droping there dps, with duel cast auto proc each spell.

    Compared to blm who yes has those abilitys but they are on cooldown so once used you have more downtime than rdm completely. Duel casting every spell constatly is superior to triple cast due to the cooldown plus it takes up a keybind slot outside rdms doesnt. So honestly rdm doesnt even need a movement ability since they can due it base without a drop, plus it can go in and do auto mele combo so there is almost no downtime unless your not even trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FusiaRain View Post
    Eh constant movement ability without droping there dps, with duel cast auto proc each spell.

    Compared to blm who yes has those abilitys but they are on cooldown so once used you have more downtime than rdm completely. Duel casting every spell constatly is superior to triple cast due to the cooldown plus it takes up a keybind slot outside rdms doesnt. So honestly rdm doesnt even need a movement ability since they can due it base without a drop, plus it can go in and do auto mele combo so there is almost no downtime unless your not even trying.
    The problem is most of that mobility on red mage goes to waste. On paper yes, they're mobile 50% of the time, but that mobility cannot be banked for when it would be useful.

    Say... pantokrator. Liquid Hell. Stormy Horizon. E9s vines. Some combinations of Basic and Intermediate Relativity. Any mechanic that requires prolonged movement will be taxing for a red mage because the most they can bank for more than 2.5s of movement is swift (5s of movement) or melee combo. As of right now the Melee combo can be banked for all of maybe 4gcds if you're lucky before you're losing damage for overcapped resources. This will be mitigated in EW, but at the cost of E Reprise being any kind of useful at all.

    I don't mean to advocate red mage is the most galaxy brain thing out there, but pretending it's as simple as you do is a disservice to the effort behind the design and to players looking to pick it up.
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    Adiel Quirelain
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    I don't mean to advocate red mage is the most galaxy brain thing out there, but pretending it's as simple as you do is a disservice to the effort behind the design and to players looking to pick it up.
    I think the issue is that there's no class which is WAY easier or WAY harder than others. People say it's the easiest, but the difference between the hardest and the easiest class is not that big, for a casual player it can be nearly non-existent.
    People expect their game to turn into an EASY mode with a specific class, but that's just not the case. You are always within the same difficulty level with just marginal differences which are highly subjective.
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    Last edited by Setesh45; 11-29-2021 at 11:36 PM.

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    Sqwall Lionheart
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    Diabolos
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    Warrior Lv 100
    When I want to prog...I hop on RDM. It's so versatile and you don't really lose your spot in your rotation. Even for a mage.

    BLM is very restrictive and kinda makes me sad when I have to move. Especially....ESPECIALLY when I lose enochain. Nothing is more world crushing then losing enochain with 25 seconds left until you can reapply it. I tend to stay away from BLM.

    SMN - Holy balls get on the roller coaster? The current iteration of SMN is literally "Keep Up! and don't screw up your cooldowns!" I like it, but can't wait for the new SMN in EW.

    RDM is just flexible. I don't lose my spot from movement, it has dualcast which is basically swift cast every other cast. Pretty much watch the gauge and see what mana you need. Hit 40 white/black, manafication, Embolden, unload your mana.
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    No positionals
    1 cast out of 2 is instant > Easier to move / dodge
    No mana issue
    Easy to reposition between melee / range
    and "easy" rotation as in not clunky, flows well
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    Misutoraru Valkyrie
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    Quote Originally Posted by hynaku View Post
    Pretty sure most the classes is just as easy to play as a rdm.
    All the job/class have simple rotation, most of the time it is getting to know the fight. When one get familiar with a fight even high APM job like ninja feel like a breeze
    RDM just feel less punish if I mess up something like overfill one mana where as BLM or NIN would be losing Enochain or Huton. However, there are many tools for me to recover from losing Huton, but not a lot of tools when over capping black/white mana
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    Winter Stardust
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    Adamantoise
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    Reaper Lv 90
    The rotation is very fluid and easy to do. You have a decent amount of mobility with dualcast. It's my current favorite job other than BLM. I will be giving SMN another try in EW because I currently hate casting dots.
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