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  1. #1
    Player
    LitheSuxman's Avatar
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    Lithe Xus
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    Diabolos
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    Arcanist Lv 27
    Quote Originally Posted by FusiaRain View Post

    All you have to do is jolt valaero/thunder for single and when proc throw out verfire/verstone use your accelerate to get procs more. Use your shiny sword range attack at full gage stab in do mele combo jump out repeat later on using upgreads like verholy,verflare rather simple outside buffing party.

    Using jolt to get autocast and vercure to rez is all you really have to know outside using your charged up powers for mele
    But that's only the basic, it becomes very overwhelming as I've said when it comes to optimizing, not even max, just to have a smooth, no downtime play seems very difficult because of the extra variations of the same skills which mess up keybind and the fact that you need to constantly look at the balance gauge puts you in danger in mechanics.
    I usually set up a action bar and set transparency to 30-35 and enlarge it to 160% just to check the progs, but with RDM it's not just the procs matter, it's what kind of procs also matters (balancing the mana guage), so it seems an extra layer of complexity in the job comparing to, let say NIN, which basically just faceroll and leave no downtime just like any other jobs because whatever procs means damage. In RDM if you don't pay attention to the type of procs it costs you imbalance mana and dps loss.
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    Iscah's Avatar
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Bismarck
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LitheSuxman View Post
    with RDM it's not just the procs matter, it's what kind of procs also matters
    The procs don't matter anywhere near as much as the follow-up cast.

    If only one of the Stone/Fire spells is available, you use it and flow up with whichever element is currently lower on the gauge.

    If both spells are available, you cast whichever one is lower on the gauge and follow up with the matching element.

    It's very simple maths/anticipation every turn – which is not to say there's something wrong if you can't grasp it, but if you have the kind of mind that grasps it then it isn't complicated at all. On the other hand I mess up the classes with more fixed rotations, but RDM is very "decide whether to do based on what is currently in front of you" which I find easier.
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    AlyaNimfa's Avatar
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    Anoxia Sarkasong
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 63
    I think saying X job is easier than Y job is a bit funny in any MMO. Especially one that caters for controllers with their limited keys.

    I've played a few classes, I enjoy RDM best, because I enjoy it. I loved DNC for a while, but I got bored, same with Samurai, Ninja, Dragoon, Summoner, Black Mage.

    There is no "easiest" or "hardest" it just depends if you click with the job, doesn't mean countless others will like or hate it, struggle with it or find it simple.

    Play what you like, what you enjoy.
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    Player FusiaRain's Avatar
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    Shoralral Shoral
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    Famfrit
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AlyaNimfa View Post
    I think saying X job is easier than Y job is a bit funny in any MMO. Especially one that caters for controllers with their limited keys.

    I've played a few classes, I enjoy RDM best, because I enjoy it. I loved DNC for a while, but I got bored, same with Samurai, Ninja, Dragoon, Summoner, Black Mage.

    There is no "easiest" or "hardest" it just depends if you click with the job, doesn't mean countless others will like or hate it, struggle with it or find it simple.

    Play what you like, what you enjoy.
    Controller doesnt really have less keys o n here lol if you know how to properly use acontroller it has more "reasonable" keys than pc lol. Unless you buy 80-100 dollar mouses lol.

    Its rlly kind funny how people believe it has less, not even counting technically we can have infinity reasonable hot keys just by adding more crossbars. Pc your limired by key combos with shift/alt/cntrl and mouse. Pc is more limited.

    Thst said rdm is the most simple minded,easy by design its ne
    arly impossible to fail. Others you have something you could screw up , or movement is a punishment like blm. Rdm gas the movement almost the exact same as mele and the power of magical dps with healer abilitys lol

    Not even cpuntimg if they made it so sheethed and unseethed saved different binds for each master controller could fit over 1k skills in and use them all easily
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    Last edited by FusiaRain; 11-29-2021 at 10:13 PM.

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    Setesh45's Avatar
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    Adiel Quirelain
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    It's straightforward, the rotation is very straightforward and can be easily memorized. You will soon transfer it to your muscle memory and don't have to think about it much.
    This means your have more time to react to mechanics, aoe's etc. Together with being relatively mobile for a caster it makes you generally less likely to die or mess up your rotation and even if you mess up, for the most part it's not a big deal unless you mess up your finisher combo.

    In Endwalker the difficulty of the class is probably going to increase a bit. You'll be spending more time alternating between close and ranged combat (yay!), and your finisher combo will be even longer, if you mess it up it will hurt more.
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    Character
    Miles Floof
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    The thing that struck me when I first started playing RDM is that the whole class just makes sense. There are no skills where I am think well what's that for or when would I use that, the rotation writes itself, its just very neat and streamlined, pleased that EW continues that trend
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    Aimi Yume
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    Leviathan
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LitheSuxman View Post
    Well I'm trying to get some guidance here because I truly find NIN way easier than RDM. I've played every job but monk and scholar, and I find RDM the most difficult so far.
    Lmao, Im with you. I cant grasp RDM maybe Im just making it harder then it actually is. I feel like the cast times on spells is just as bad as BLM but at least BLM has thought in its combo. NIN is easier because it allows for so much more versitality and the ninjutsu is just learning the combo press.
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    Saber Maxwell
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    Faerie
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    The basic answer is memes. The irony is you see a lot of bad red mages running around because "it's the easiest job in the game there's no thought to it!"

    With that said, the class is built very rhythmically. Compare to the currently very cryptic summoner with a high skill floor that has mechanics that don't mesh well with each other and rdm will naturally feel smoother.

    That said, it's pretty lolsy someone suggested it has good mobility compared to other casters considering it arguably has the least on demand mobility of the subrole. But can't argue with the easy rez mage lol meme can you?

    My advice? Practice. Come up with mental arithmetic shorthands so you're not looking at your gauge as often. Learn every opener for Red Mage, but realize 3-8 and 3-10 will probably be your go-tos. Most of all, be willing to make and learn from mistakes ^_^
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    Adiel Quirelain
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    The basic answer is memes. The irony is you see a lot of bad red mages running around because "it's the easiest job in the game there's no thought to it!"

    With that said, the class is built very rhythmically. Compare to the currently very cryptic summoner with a high skill floor that has mechanics that don't mesh well with each other and rdm will naturally feel smoother.

    That said, it's pretty lolsy someone suggested it has good mobility compared to other casters considering it arguably has the least on demand mobility of the subrole. But can't argue with the easy rez mage lol meme can you?

    My advice? Practice. Come up with mental arithmetic shorthands so you're not looking at your gauge as often. Learn every opener for Red Mage, but realize 3-8 and 3-10 will probably be your go-tos. Most of all, be willing to make and learn from mistakes ^_^
    Okay, so RDM has worse mobility than BLM?
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