Why was my thread about healer dps deleted?

[Drkdays]

Yes yes, Sylphies are the real intellectuals. Everyone else is just too overawed by the 1000 IQ takes. Don't listen to rebuttals; all dissent from Sylphiedom is such foolishness it can be dismissed out of hand.

Case in point : I would never be so arrogant as to say that "sylphies" are right, only that that are not necessarily wrong.

The problem are those who can't tell the difference between the two and leap straight to defense mode.

Thanks for the demonstration.

[Silver-Strider]

What you need to realize is that you're just repeating yourself to the same crowd constantly, who leap on arguments against enforcing dps healers with all literary discipline of middle schoolers playing Call of Duty.

Best to just make a clear and unemotional stance against the necessity of making healers more dps oriented than healing and move on with the understanding that a majority of the comments will be as punitive as they are irrelevant.

You believe what you believe and you are not alone, whatever others try to convince you of.

Tell me, do you count Macrocosmos as a Heal or a DPS skill?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Tell me, do you count Macrocosmos as a Heal or a DPS skill?

Noooo, you shouldn't point that out!!

[Silver-Strider]

Noooo, you shouldn't point that out!!

Not like they ever answer the question because they know they're wrong either way they try to argue it.

[Jonathan_Clover]

Case in point : I would never be so arrogant as to say that "sylphies" are right, only that that are not necessarily wrong.

The problem are those who can't tell the difference between the two and leap straight to defense mode.

Thanks for the demonstration.

How are they not wrong? The Slyphie mindset is, "I want to heal and only heal, and if you ask me to do more I'm gonna throw a fit!" when the game doesn't support such a play style.

Sure, they can only heal, but they're handicapping both themselves and their team so badly it comes off as being inconsiderate.

But of course, you already know that with how we(and what feels like the entire forum at this point) have had this back and forth before. Multiple. Times.

[Drkdays]

How are they not wrong? The Slyphie mindset is, "I want to heal and only heal, and if you ask me to do more I'm gonna throw a fit!" when the game doesn't support such a play style.

Sure, they can only heal, but they're handicapping both themselves and their team so badly it comes off as being inconsiderate.

But of course, you already know that with how we(and what feels like the entire forum at this point) have had this back and forth before. Multiple. Times.

What's wrong is your mindset. The first part is right, "I want to heal and only heal" but the second part is purely childish scorn. Dps as a healer is fine, but an over emphasis is something that should be avoided. It is understood that as things are now, there is no reason not to dps if and when you can, but DEMANDING it of others is the problem. As is requesting SE to make it further required and more complicated purely for more DISTRACTING gameplay.

As I've said multiple times, what's fun for some may not be for others. Sometimes it's even impossible for others. And the more it becomes emphasized, the more it becomes required, the less we will see casual healers.

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen, or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO, or a disabled person. You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

[Sebazy]

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen,

Remind me again what the age rating on this game is? Given what goes on in certain servers and locales, don't you think there's a bigger issue with such a young child playing a mature fantasy game than their healer DPS?

or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO

One of my old workmates who retired some 10 years ago still plays WoW and FFXIV competently to this day. Granted it's likely much harder at that sort of age to pick up a new game, but then the same could be said of literally most of the games out there. This is where FFXIV's net ends and Animal Crossing's begins tbh. Suggesting neutering the experience just because there's a small chance a 78 year old first time gamer grandmother might try and pick it up is just reaching to absurd lengths.

or a disabled person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_wrXVAFUg

26.5 APM. With his feet.

You're not defending those with disabilities. You're just trying to stand up for those that can't be bothered to even try.

You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

Here's a little secret tip. People that are either worried about these sorts of issues or are concerned that they won't be able to play to a high enough standard to cope with large pulls or whatnot can simply say as much at the start of a duty. At least it my personal experience, when someone has been upfront about any issues, the rest of the group has been absolutely fine with accommodating them. It's only when they just stay silent and allow people to either jump to conclusions or act in denial of any issues that it usually starts to turn sour.

But then that also falls under 'making an effort' doesn't it.

[Floortank]

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen, or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO, or a disabled person. You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

They should not be ridiculed.

They're still not using their entire toolkit. If they can't, or don't know how, that's fine.

But this conversation is about people who don't use their tools because they choose not to.

[Bobby66]

What's wrong is your mindset. The first part is right, "I want to heal and only heal" but the second part is purely childish scorn. Dps as a healer is fine, but an over emphasis is something that should be avoided. It is understood that as things are now, there is no reason not to dps if and when you can, but DEMANDING it of others is the problem. As is requesting SE to make it further required and more complicated purely for more DISTRACTING gameplay.

As I've said multiple times, what's fun for some may not be for others. Sometimes it's even impossible for others. And the more it becomes emphasized, the more it becomes required, the less we will see casual healers.

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen, or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO, or a disabled person. You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

Let us be real healer dps does not require any real thought or effort it is mostly 1 button spam while keeping a dot up. If someone cannot handle that then they have a lot more to worry about, and properly should not be running content with random strangers. I wish people would stop defending a lack of effort, any barrier can be overcame just need to work for it. Trying to defend or create a safe space for people to not try is not rising them up, it is keeping them down.

[ForteNightshade]

It is understood that as things are now, there is no reason not to dps if and when you can, but DEMANDING it of others is the problem. As is requesting SE to make it further required and more complicated purely for more DISTRACTING gameplay.

I'm going to be blunt. A healer who refuses to DPS is entirely worthless compared to those who do. Even if the latter is only contributing a small amount. There is simply zero benefit or reason not to deal damage in this game, regardless of your role. Actively choosing not to means you're demanding other players accommodate your lack of effort. Why is it okay for healers to demand those expectations from others but it isn't okay for everyone to demand equal contribution from them?

No matter what excuses you make, DPSing is required to be a decent healer in FFXIV. That "fault" lies with the developers not the community for designing content which doesn't necessitate a primary focus on healing. Ironically, if they simply returned abilities like Aero III, it would actually make DPSing easier not complicated because the potency of healer nukes could be lowered, thus making it less punishing for healers. Especially for White Mage. Their insistence on healers primary source of damage all coming from a single GCD makes it significantly more punishing replacing said GCD with movement or GCD healing. Which only goes to further illustrate how little the dev team thinks about healer design and gameplay.