Multiverse Final Fantasy MMORPG (What could have been)

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

The way I see the fans:
Pre-FF7
FF7
New Gen (whom FF10-2, FF12 and FF13 were aimed at)

And even a schism of fans:
Went online

Stayed offline ("If I pay for the game once, why do I have to pay monthly? I didn't have to do that with the other FF games?", "I have to play with other people to do the story?", "It's on the computer?/I have to buy a PS2 hard drive?" ~ all of which were new and valid concerns for console gamers around 2002~2003)

I think the earlier one started JRPGs, the more nostalgia one has toward them and eager to see those elements represented / remastered in modern day. I imagine a fully-voiced high polygon 3D Final Fantasy IV with a reboot of a story that doesn't rely on mind control story or what-if branches. Or a high polygon smooth-running Final Fantasy Musou with multiplayer, cross-over elements. And I say high polygon, because I look at FFIV DS or Dissidia and think, "I wish they remake this for the PS3/current gen TV console".

Happened to enjoy FF1, enjoyed FF12 more than I thought I would (blonde Aladdin leveling up in the desert hunting marks) and enjoyed FF13 for combat, character advancement and music... not so much the story and pacing. Can enjoy a good playthrough Dragon Age, Skyrim and Dark Souls as well as a Chrono Trigger or a Final Fantasy 10.

Heck, I'm waiting for Ultima to come back into play to join forces with Iolo and later Dupre to save ye olde Lord British... maybe just a sequel to Ultima IX or SirTech-style Wizardry 8. Granted Xth Generation and Etrian Odyssey is great and all, I just feel like they're not moving in the direction I would have liked to see.

Anyhew, I think an FF MMO could stand to have a few cameos here and there... or the costumes of cameos, maybe as achievement rewards.

[casker]

So lets take all the arguments against the idea:
4. Dissidea!: was again a FREAKING FIGHTING GAME! Since when did they have good storylines..... O yeah never! On top of that it was a horrible excuse for a fighting game.

Dissidia has a cheesy story in part because of the premise, which is what you're also asking for. I'm sorry, but you're never going to get a very good story out of mashing all of the FF games together, and the premise of Dissidia is about as good as a story like that is going to get.

And fighting game wise, Dissidia was pretty good and an original concept.

In short, this idea is bad. Just be happy that Yoshi and co. plan on having a lot of references to old games..

The only way this would work is if it wasn't an FF mmo, but a KH mmo, which is made to be a crossover anyway.

[Answa]

I can't read anything any of you write. Learn grammar before writing paragraphs of dribble. Please.

That said: you guys bandwagon into hating shit way too easily. Dissidia is a fun game with meh storyline. Why is it meh? Because there's seriously no way you can mix together different universes into a coherent storyline that lasts less than 80 hours.

[SafeOnBlock]

Let me argue against myself: (Good logical arguments)
1. Cost effectivness: I could potentially cost to much money to produce such a title.
2. Copyright laws: If there was a copyright that prohibited such a game. (But there isnt)
3. FFXIV: Yes the game just came out, assuming that it lasts 10 years it would give the company enough time to produce the new MMORPG.

THOSE ARE GOOD ARGUMENTS! "Not said storyline is gunna be horrible" that is a horrible argument.

[SafeOnBlock]

Dissidia has a cheesy story in part because of the premise, which is what you're also asking for. I'm sorry, but you're never going to get a very good story out of mashing all of the FF games together, and the premise of Dissidia is about as good as a story like that is going to get.

And fighting game wise, Dissidia was pretty good and an original concept.

In short, this idea is bad. Just be happy that Yoshi and co. plan on having a lot of references to old games..

The only way this would work is if it wasn't an FF mmo, but a KH mmo, which is made to be a crossover anyway.

No it was horrible. Clunky mechanics, bad storyline, no replay value. You have to compare it to other FGC games like Skull Girls, SSFIV, MVC, MK9 (which actually has and is known for its good storyline) KOFXIII. Those are great fighting games and not just my opinion because I dont play half of them and dont like MVC or MK9 but I know when I am looking at a good game.

Im also gunna quote myself again. You cannot argue the reason to not make a game is bad storyline because of this.

Here is my argument:
1. The success and failure of any game is due to the team who makes it. If anything I wouldn't trust such a large project to SE because they are a horrible company who has been going down hill since their merger. The only reason FFX was successful was that Sakaguchi had a hand in making the game before he retired. I argue that SE being balls is the only reason to not make this MMORPG because until they prove they can succeed in not making horrible games they shouldnt make another FF title.

You cannot possibly argue with my above statement because its not opinion but a fact. (Not the opinion of SE even though most people agree and critics agree.) But the fact that the success of a game is only truly the product of the production. Anything can be done if thought out and if enough effort is put in. Hell look at Marvel Comics thats an example on how to make Multiverse work and I dont even like comics it just comes down to good talented writting.

I tell ya what you get a developer in here and tell me that I am wrong and he gives me logical reasons or if any of you can come up with numbers and give me logical reasons (DATA not Opinion) on why this wont work and I will tip my hat to you.

[Chardrizard]

Has it come across your head that maybe everyone in this thread doesn't like your idea because it is actually horrible and not well thought out? No Devs is gonna take even a glance at this thread, this isn't how you propose an idea.

"Oh hey i had an idea and i will spend 5 minutes wrting about it, what do you think?" In Industry, you will not even receive an automatic reply email that refuses this idea, it will goes straight to spam/thrash folder.

Come back again with a well thought out and constructive idea, lay out pro/cons, and how everything is gonna work out if you want a proper response.

[Keres]

Let me argue against myself: (Good logical arguments)
2. Copyright laws: If there was a copyright that prohibited such a game. (But there isnt)

what am I even reading, are you suggesting that it would be a "good argument" to suggest that Square doesn't own the rights to its own games

OK, exiting this thread. Later.

[Majidah]

Lol yeah i loved FFadvent children

[MikkoAkure]

I'd rather play a FF game for an amazing original story, character, settings, gameplay. If I wanted to play an older FF game, I'd just pop in an older FF game. They may be nostalgic, but the Final Fantasy series marches onward for better or worse. Look back at the "classic" games. How many people would play those if they came out for the first time today? Sometimes you have to take off the rose-tinted nostalgia glasses. Those old games were neat at the time, but I'd rather look to the future and see what they come out with.

Sure FFXIII and launch FFXIV are said by many to be stinkers, but it doesn't mean the end of everything and the need to have to make new stuff re-hashed "good old times". Yoshi's 2.0 will be a new story, in a new, very FF-esque world, with new characters. But it will have elements of previous FF games like the Crystal tower, and other references and all that jazz. I think that fits the idea of "Final Fantasy Online" better than visiting old worlds, stories, and characters. Let's look to 2.0 instead, and see what happens! To progress!

[SafeOnBlock]

Has it come across your head that maybe everyone in this thread doesn't like your idea because it is actually horrible and not well thought out? No Devs is gonna take even a glance at this thread, this isn't how you propose an idea.

"Oh hey i had an idea and i will spend 5 minutes wrting about it, what do you think?" In Industry, you will not even receive an automatic reply email that refuses this idea, it will goes straight to spam/thrash folder.

Come back again with a well thought out and constructive idea, lay out pro/cons, and how everything is gonna work out if you want a proper response.

I dont care if everyone on this thread dislikes my idea. I still havnt heard an intelligent response and rather then blah blah blah (opinion) Which is funny because I came up with good arguments against myself. I see nothing but pessimistic ill thought out arguments based on opinion and closed minded banter. Ill tell you what, ideas no mater how little can grow to become giants and everything has a beginning.

I dont want the devs attention and honestly like I said I dont feel that even if SE took heed to even the thought of a fraction of an idea of a MMORPG multiverse I wouldnt want them to make it because they are horrible as a company. The only thing they have in the near future that even looks remotely promising isnt even of their own fruition (Tomb Raider).

I could counter your argument with why arent you guys running with the idea instead of being negative? Every argument made was a what if? What if the game is bad? What if its deluded? What if, What if, What if? You think that the FF universe would even exist with that mentality?! NO! Not all ideas are created equal and are good sure but they can be molded into greatness. If you want me to sit and write up an essay with research, statistics, and numbers I bet my money I would get the same lame responses.

The cold hard truth. People disagree for the sake to disagree, have no solid reasons to disagree, have illogical opinions that are ill thought out, and refuse to look at both sides.

Here is a thought why not try this out I wont even conisder your opinions until you weigh both the pros and cons in your post. Then and only then do you have a shred of thought in your arguments. Use that thing called a brain and critically think.

Why would it be a bad idea?
Why would it be a good idea?
What is considered when making a game?
What resources is this gunna take?
-Man power
-Time
-Current and future projects
-Support
-Current and future technology

These are things that must be considered not petty crap that has been brought up. I started the conversation and either be a critical part of it or your wasting both my and your time.