Button Bloat But Nah?

[Nayukhuut]

Not gonna lie... As an AST main I do kinda think I’m gonna have to do some serious ability juggling to keep my hotbars and skills in a way that still feels comfortable to use. The removal of the Sects doesn’t help too much since I had those off in the middle of nowhere anyway and just clicked em. I mean, I’ll adjust, but I would definitely prefer a few less skills.

Maybe I’ll just yeet Benefic 1 off my bar and just put it back when I get a baby dungeon...

[Marxam]

After seeing how PLD got an upgrade for Spirits Within to Expiacion and how it changes it to an aoe with most of the damage on the first enemy and a % less for the remaining, I feel like all WAR/DRK should have gotten the same treatment. It would free up one more button.

WAR - Upheaval upgrades to Orogeny
DRK - Edge of Shadow upgrades to Flood of Shadow

However PLD has the worst button bloat of all the tanks, with DRK a close second. WAR is currently the right amount though if they implemented the changes I used in the example it would be perfect imo. My issue with PLD is that I have to macro skills especially being on PS5 and only using two cross bars. So I only have 32 slots to put all the job skills and abilities in addition to the role actions. There are also 2-4 slots that mandatory gap closers/job skills, so I have even less space to use. This is also not including things like pots. Some QoL I would recommend of buttons overlaying each other to save space:

WAR:
-Inner Release is changed to Primal Rend when Inner Release is used

PLD:
-Royal Authority is changed to Atonement when combo bonus is achieved

Ultimately I'm not a fan of "dead buttons" and what I mean by that is buttons that sit on you cast bar and are only active after using a skill/ability. Using Primal Rend as an example. It's a dead button that is only active once a minute so why would I put that on my crossbar when it share the exact same recast timer as IR, the skill used to activate it? I've never had to use macros outside of shirk and nascent flash but this is the first expansion where I have to actively macro multiple skills.

[Bsrking5]

I agree, i don't have low blow on my bar, just shield bash. Well just for pld, pld also has cover which i almost never use. If it returned to past i'd use it more often. Pld worse button bloat. Worse then the healers

[Leonerdo]

Yeah I can't fit the new SCH skills on my main hotbars. But that's because I have my mount, summon Selene, Place (the pet command), and two pots in there. I'll probably move the mount and Place off the main hotbars.

It's getting pretty cramped, but I guess I can deal with it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I have sprint and mounts on a hidden hotbar mapped to ctrl-r and various f modifiers for the mounts (ctrl-f, alt-f, etc).


I have a mouse with side buttons mapped to ctrl, alt, ctrl shift, alt shift, and ctrl alt shift.

I use 1-6, ~ only, and modifiers make up the rest of the slots.

[_Pigzig]

just buy an mmo mouse
and ditch that stupid immune to knockbacks skill anyway I never saw anyone use that in the entire game

[ReynTime]

Don't you mean a limit of 48 slots on controller? The 4th set of 16 goes to all jobs by default, which at the start of ShB had way too many crafter actions on it due to the button bloat on crafters.

Yeah the soft limit is 48. I think I thought of "32" because personally I could never wrap my head around all the shoulder trigger combinations possible, which is why I limit my double hold to only 8 slots. But the fact I still don't feel the need to expand my double tap to more than 4 slots each is what I wanted to emphasize.

[Arrhin]

I'm fine with many keybinds, I've been using an mmo mouse since forever, that solves everything for me. I highly recommend those to everyone playing FFXIV on the PC.
Currently I use the Corsair Scimitar Elite RGB, 12 buttons right under your thumb, works like a charm.

Any M&KB player NOT using an MMO mouse is just living a lie. Sure, your good, good enough even. But imagine being better! Imaging having everything literally at your fingertips! For myself I use a Roccat Nyth, when that dies it'll probably be replaced with a G600. Cheap and good.

[Kolsykol]

I like the amount of skills jobs have in FFXIV, none of them have button bloat (in my opinion). The reason why I can't get into new MMOs is because they lack skills. Look at New World, classes have like 6 skills, so boring!
Anyway, back to XIV. My main is RDM and I love the way my skills turn into other skills during my rotation (combos). It's something SE should do more often, it's very comfy and fun.

Totally agree, I got so bored when I tried to get into ESO.
Altho to some extent that was also because of the weapon swap I hated that system, but it was also because of how I felt like I was using the same handful of skills over and over again.

In FFXIV the Jobs feel very '' designed '' for a lack of a better term and in a good way.

and ditch that stupid immune to knockbacks skill anyway I never saw anyone use that in the entire game

Uuum.
That skill is awesome.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Any M&KB player NOT using an MMO mouse is just living a lie. Sure, your good, good enough even. But imagine being better! Imaging having everything literally at your fingertips! For myself I use a Roccat Nyth, when that dies it'll probably be replaced with a G600. Cheap and good.

I can't use those things, buttons are too small, and they cramp my hands. Downside to being a giant I suppose.