Housing crisis

[Knot_D]

Just gitgud at placard extreme and lottery later at Endwalker, also wishing you all to get the house plot wherever the location is

[Jojoya]

Just gitgud at placard extreme and lottery later at Endwalker, also wishing you all to get the house plot wherever the location is

"gitgud at placard extreme" doesn't do much when in the end it's RNG that dictates the winner. People are bad at "placard extreme" have won simply because they showed up and clicked at the right moment.

It's both sad and irritating that this game has such a mess of a system for acquiring housing when other MMOs have shown it does not need to be this way. Their housing generates just as much discussion except that discussion is players sharing all the creative things they've done with their housing instead of focusing around whether or not they can even get a house.

The wards were a good base concept implemented badly. The common area for housing is a great idea for player socialization. Spreading out all the houses between 192 common areas per world (soon to become 240 common areas in 6.1) is not. What SE should have done was instanced the housing plots while leaving common areas in the ward uninstanced. Then players would be encountering each other as they go to and from their houses. As much as players trash apartments as housing, I see more players coming and going from the apartment building where I have the apartments for my alts in a week than I've seen passing by my main's house in 2 years. It happens because it's a common area acting as a portal to the instanced housing.

It's pretty sad that I can sit in the yard of my house, do a player search and see all of 60-80 other players listed as being in the same housing district - and knowing that those 60-80 players are spread between 48 different zones so at most there might be one or two others in my own ward (and likely on the far side where they won't see me and I won't see them). I don't live in a neighborhood, I live in a ghost town. It might be a more colorful ghost town in better repair than typical but it's just as devoid of life.

[LianaThorne]

Just sticking my head in since I can't resist a housing thread.
I'll try to make this easy to digest:

- Housing is set up the way it is because the devs want it to be that way. End point.
- Island Sanctuary is a way to pacify those who want instanced housing since we won't have REAL instanced housing in this game.
- We won't have REAL instanced housing in this game because of how housing was originally put into the game, they basically didn't do a great job of it.
- To rip apart that system would be more trouble than its worth in terms of actual work needed to put into it + they would face backlash from those who already have housing in neighborhoods if whatever changes were made ended up screwing homeowners over.

- The lottery system is their answer to the SELF-MADE PROBLEM that people have with camping (and the funny thing is, it's literally camping without the camping with like 20x the amount of people you'd normally be against). Just putting that out there, YOU choose to camp for hours and hours and hours on end, no one is making you sit there and click a placard forever other than yourself. There are also plenty of resources available to show people how to avoid camping for hours and hours and hours on end (including discord servers that literally post the prime hour to begin camping a plot). I feel like a broken record with how much I say this in these type of threads.

- As far as the randomized timer goes (since I saw that get brought up earlier), that's implemented so people who have actual lives can still have a chance to camp a plot. For example, some people have jobs and can't be in game 24/7. Does this mean they should get screwed on a chance to get a plot? No. So the timer is there to give everyone a chance who wants one. I have no idea how it would be related to RMT considering that those who want to buy gil just go to the black market to buy their plots anyway....? But okay.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.

[Moerdeth]

Woops, entered twice by accident, apologies!

[Arillyn]

I got the rmt reason from a Yoshie P thread. Only reference I had for bringing it up. Perhaps the housing district could be used only for Free company homes? While I agree that letting current home owners keep their homes in these districts, Perhaps as these players lose their homes with the 45 day waiting period more FC homes would open up and everyone could have an I instanced home they could bring friends to like FFXI. I would accept that as reasonable and a way of removing the lottery system, 24hr timer and an easy addition.
At least we are looking for solutions that could work, not to mention expanding the market for crafters of housing items, seed sales, gardening etc! with what could a very easy fix that works for everyone. It's a positive thing for everyone even those not directly affected by housing.

SE said with the Ishgard housing release some wards will be FC only.

[Moerdeth]

I got the rmt reason from a Yoshie P thread. Only reference I had for bringing it up. Perhaps the housing district could be used only for Free company homes? Everyone can still have huge parties. While I agree that letting current home owners keep their homes in these districts is a must, perhaps as these players lose their homes with the 45 day waiting period when they leave the game, more FC homes would open up and everyone could have an instanced home they could bring friends to like FFXI. Everyone could have waterfront and 200 slots, no outrageous prices for homes. I would accept that as a reasonable solution, not to mention a way of removing the lottery system, 24hr timer and an easy addition for the developers.
At least we are looking for solutions that could work, not to mention expanding the market for crafters of housing items, seed sales, gardening etc! with what could a very easy fix that works for everyone. It's a positive thing for everyone, even those not directly affected by housing.

[Moerdeth]

This would also increase gathering materials for housing supplies exponentially, and free up inventory space for anyone carrying around a bunch of housing item from different quests, and instances. Everyone wants more inventory space in my experience. Not to mention there could be house design competitions, private parties for up to 24 people. The benefits are endless!

[MilkieTea]

Exactly folks, Setesh can't form an educated thought, so he needs to make up stuff. Thank goodness for the ignore function. Shopping clearly has a subscription like any of the above mentioned scenario's. Setesh clearly doesn't understand how comparison's work. When you pay for a service (insert here) there are similarities that you make make real comparison's to. Unfortunately you can not educate some! Setesh prefers to let things continue to be a failure rather than making and working toward something better for everyone not just leaving it broken for some small thinker's. Setesh is a very small thinker as is on full display!

I’d like to respectfully point out that you deleted your first few posts when people disagreed with you - within only two pages. That is not a sign of someone who is willing to listen and hear other people out. It is, as I said, childish and essentially a temper tantrum.

And in this post, specifically, you resorted to personal insults, digs such as “Setesh is a very small thinker,” (which I bolded) etc etc. Setesh is not making stuff up - you’re showcasing that behavior both here and with your apparent unwillingness to listen to discourse as indicated by deleting your first few posts in this thread. It is up to you to turn that around. You also seemingly do not actually read what people say the minute it seems theyre disagreeing with you.

All in all, you’ve been a very poor sport.

[Moerdeth]

Wow Setesh has some supporters. I deleted those posts because of the way you responded. Obviously the first few responses came from people who disagreed that the very obvious housing problems in the game were actual problems. You thought that because was not affecting your game play that no one had a right to be upset with the state of the housing. So I simply changed the comment to I guess everyone is happy with the current situation rather than try and fight against the few who wanted to attack me over my opinion. A poor sport would have been on the attack for you right from the start, after your complete attempt to disprove there was an issue right out of the gate. The unwillingness to look at the facts, and immediate attempt to tear down what I was expressing as a long standing issue with the housing in this game was the reason for removing the issue, and stating that there must be no issue.
Setesh on the other hand kept trolling me trying to get a "win" and that did not work out for him. Now his friend wants to try and claim one for him.
With that said there are finally some people open to ideas, and perhaps even change that would make things better for all.

Respectfully Milkie tea!

[MilkieTea]

Wow Setesh has some supporters. I deleted those posts because of the way you responded. Obviously the first few responses came from people who disagreed that the very obvious housing problems in the game were actual problems. You thought that because was not affecting your game play that no one had a right to be upset with the state of the housing. So I simply changed the comment to I guess everyone is happy with the current situation rather than try and fight against the few who wanted to attack me over my opinion. A poor sport would have been on the attack for you right from the start, after your complete attempt to disprove there was an issue right out of the gate. The unwillingness to look at the facts, and immediate attempt to tear down what I was expressing as a long standing issue with the housing in this game was the reason for removing the issue, and stating that there must be no issue.
Setesh on the other hand kept trolling me trying to get a "win" and that did not work out for him. Now his friend wants to try and claim one for him.
With that said there are finally some people open to ideas, and perhaps even change that would make things better for all.

Respectfully Milkie tea!

I don’t even know them, and I believe I’ve only ever had one conversation with them. If this is how you respond to people calling you out then you best believe that you’re showcasing childlike behaviors.

Not all people who disagree with you are out to get you, y’know?