FF14 Endgame?

[Kandraxx]

So I finished all of the MSQ now and got a couple classes at 80, but I read the endgame is basically housing, collecting cards, mounts, pets and doing side activities. This can’t be real?

Ok, I knew that pvp doesn’t exist (in reality, not technically) from the beginning, but what is the pve endgame, as there doesn’t seem to be any real raids? Do the 24-man raids have more difficulties than the default one?

I read about ultimate modes that are supposed to be hard, but from looking videos it’s just circle arenas where you dodge things for 15 minutes while doing your rotation?

I unlocked a raid finder in Idyllshire, it says that it will need progression with a set group, but it has only one fight in it (leviathan) so I don’t think it’s still relevant content.

Are there more raids to be unlocked (or modes), that have real mechanics and a real raid zone with trash mobs and all? Like in you know what game. This is definitely confusing because sometimes I go to old content and there are suddenly new (+) quests that add bosses but it doesn’t look like 80 endgame.

[TristanX]

Eureka and Bozja is one of the endgame. I probably will never complete it.

[van_arn]

I generally tell people to think of endgames rather than endgame.

You have the "gold saucer" tier of endgame, which is where you collect your glamour/triple triad/mounts/housing/RP/normal modes/patch storyline. Blue Mages are the true kings here.

You have the middle tier of combat endgame which is your extreme trials, Bozja/Eureka, and echo clears of Savage.

You have the high-end tier of endgame which is minilvl savage, especially in the current tier (though this space is typically reserved for actual, progression savage).

And at the top you have Ultimate.


I would suggest not underestimating any of these until you've carried them. Videos don't do them justice when the parties you get have Bobby McNobuttons on BLM and Sara Healersheal on whm. Just like in That Other Game, the difficulty comes from your party messing up -- not everything going perfectly well.

[Garnix]

So I finished all of the MSQ now and got a couple classes at 80, but I read the endgame is basically housing, collecting cards, mounts, pets and doing side activities. This can’t be real?

Ok, I knew that pvp doesn’t exist (in reality, not technically) from the beginning, but what is the pve endgame, as there doesn’t seem to be any real raids? Do the 24-man raids have more difficulties than the default one?

I read about ultimate modes that are supposed to be hard, but from looking videos it’s just circle arenas where you dodge things for 15 minutes while doing your rotation, so my question is:

I unlocked a raid finder in Idyllshire, it says that it will need progression with a set group, but it has only one fight in it (leviathan) so I don’t think it’s still relevant content.

Are there more raids to be unlocked (or modes), that have real mechanics? Like in you know what game.

Difficult raids in XIV are 8-man, and most are just boss fights as you mentioned.

[VelKallor]

as there doesn’t seem to be any real raids?

There are normal savage, ultimate raids, a new deep dungeon, there will be a new 24 man alliance raid, new normal dungeons, role quests, a new beast tribe....

but from looking videos it’s just circle arenas where you dodge things for 15 minutes while doing your rotation

I think you will find that its a lot harder than THAT.................

Circle arenas? *remembers Werlyt* btw.....whats a 'real raid'?

[MistakeNot]

So I finished all of the MSQ now and got a couple classes at 80, but I read the endgame is basically housing, collecting cards, mounts, pets and doing side activities. This can’t be real?

Ok, I knew that pvp doesn’t exist (in reality, not technically) from the beginning, but what is the pve endgame, as there doesn’t seem to be any real raids? Do the 24-man raids have more difficulties than the default one?

I read about ultimate modes that are supposed to be hard, but from looking videos it’s just circle arenas where you dodge things for 15 minutes while doing your rotation, so my question is:

Are there more raids to be unlocked, that have real mechanics? Like in you know what game.

The pve endgame is level 80 dungeons, level 80 raids (8 man and 24-man) level 80 trials, and the whole Bozja storyline. And that is about it. 24-man raids are generally easier than 8-man raids.
And of course the Extreme, Savage and Ultimate versions of the above as appropriate.
I don't know what you consider real mechanics, but if you don't think Ultimate is hard, then there is no hard content in this game for you.

People do say that the real endgame is glamour and housing. That is only half a joke.

[Sathona]

The pve endgame is level 80 dungeons, level 80 raids (8 man and 24-man) level 80 trials, and the whole Bozja storyline. And that is about it. 24-man raids are generally easier than 8-man raids.
And of course the Extreme, Savage and Ultimate versions of the above as appropriate.
I don't know what you consider real mechanics, but if you don't think Ultimate is hard, then there is no hard content in this game for you.

People do say that the real endgame is glamour and housing. That is only half a joke.

Dyeable gear versions coming from savage makes it as real endgame as it gets xD

[Sotaris]

I read about ultimate modes that are supposed to be hard, but from looking videos it’s just circle arenas where you dodge things for 15 minutes while doing your rotation?

I have not done the ultimate myself but I'm pretty sure they harder than what you're saying.

[RobynDaBank]

1. PvP exists, honestly the more people get told it doesn't the more dead it gets.

2. What's a "real raid", lol? Does only trash between bosses or full 12 boss instances make something a raid? You have trials and you have alliance raids - the latter being closer to the "real raid" you define.

3. Doesn't every big boss fight in every game ever boil down to dodging and doing mechanics while doing your rotation?

4. The thing you unlocked in Idyllshire is Unreal Raids, which change with patches I think. The current one will go at EW release and there should be a new one after. I think it's a step above EX but no clue about the finer details.

IMO the thing with FFXIV's PvE content is that you have to go unlocking the more difficult versions manually. There's 1-2 pieced up alliance and 8-man raids for every expansion and the base game, and there's EX, Savage and Ultimates. If you get a willing static you can clear trials while synced going from Ifrit EX to current Eden Savage ones.

[Roda]

I have not done the ultimate myself but I'm pretty sure they harder than what you're saying.

No that's pretty much it (though blind prog does make things more interesting)
It's an endurance test. And the hardest part is making sure you, and the rest of your team is consistent. The rest is just "keep your attention span clear while going to where you need to be"

Though there are a few novel interactions with mechanics that isn't just about dodging. (Awakening in UwU, Nisi movements etc)

But xiv has a problem with their raid fights being aalllll dances. (They do dance fights well, but it's just the same kind of fight every time. Probably an engine limitation.)