We don't need anymore gil sinks

[Incinerator2]

Square Enix does not understand economics. Supply and demand are all well and good, but they are not looking at inequality. Adding gil sinks like more housing and removing gil from activities like levequests are only going to hurt consumers. Here's the thing: everyone who has more than 100 million gil in this game are either botting/cheating or exploiting everyone else in the economy, just like in real life. But in real life we can actually tax those people, and transfer it to programs that aid the poor, like Social Security. We don't do that in FF14, because it is modeled after a laissez-faire system. So what happens when gil becomes harder and harder to get and things get harder and harder to buy? New players and people not interested in botting and exploiting everyone else in the economy just cannot do anything that requires gil, like buying mansions. Also, the rich players in this game will tell you how they got rich easily without a lot of effort. That is a total lie: they are either players from ARR or Heavensward that inherited a lot of wealth back then and coasted on the gil inflation, or they bot/exploit other players (such as undercutting on the market board every minute). What we need is not a gil sink. It's a gil transfer system. No one likes having their gil taken away, so we need incentives for rich players to give their gil to new players. For example, giving 1M gil to a sprout that is above Lv20 would give them an extra step in a relic or something. We also need to have more gil fountains for poor players. Roulette rewards should be doubled or even tripled for sprouts. This game does not have a gil inflation issue. This game has an inequality issue.

[Kolsykol]

but they are not looking at inequality, real life etc

This is a video game, everyone starts from square one.
This isn't irl where people are born into billionaire families...

Edit: Also as someone who is essentially perpetually poor because I am very wasteful and don't make any effort to grind for gil.
It's not unrealistic at all to have 100 mil or even more without botting/ cheating etc.

If you're just actively playing it adds up a lot, even moreso if you actually do professions and sell a lot of stuff.

[Incinerator2]

This is a video game, everyone starts from square one.
This isn't irl where people are born into billionaire families...

Except that's not true because people who started playing in ARR/Heavensward benefitted from playing early, as they have much more time to amass wealth. And you know what they say, you use money to make money. So it becomes a snowball and they make more and more money with the money they have. People who start later just can't catch up.

[Kolsykol]

Except that's not true because people who started playing in ARR/Heavensward benefitted from playing early, as they have much more time to amass wealth. And you know what they say, you use money to make money. So it becomes a snowball and they make more and more money with the money they have. People who start later just can't catch up.

When a new expansion is released everyone starts from square one again because all of the stuff that sells for a lot on the market is new and you get it from doing content, and I don't think that people have benefitted as much as you think that they have.

And yes obviously if you've played since ARR/ Heavensward and you've hoarded gil ever since you're going to have more than someone who started playing in Shadowbringers.
That's how it should be.

You can play the market by going to other worlds and buying stuff cheaper then selling it at home but normally the difference is not that big at all you don't actually make a whole lot back even in the best case scenario.
And you can still do that even with fairly limited amounts of gil if you cba.

I dunno what you even mean with catch up, I've played since ARR and I currently have like 200k gil.
The gil I had back in ARR and Heavensward is totally irrelevant nowadays.
If I spend a couple of mil gil on crafted gear and pentamelding it then it won't matter in the next expansion it has no effect.

[Kes13a]

Except that's not true because people who started playing in ARR/Heavensward benefitted from playing early, as they have much more time to amass wealth. And you know what they say, you use money to make money. So it becomes a snowball and they make more and more money with the money they have. People who start later just can't catch up.

well, thats false right there, since I started long after that... its how you spend it, if you spend it on all the latest shinies, yeah, starting late will mean you are broke. If you hardly spend on stupidly expensive things.. easy to have over 100 million, even easier if you craft smartly

[Shuuli]

I only started a few months ago before the wow exodus and I never had an issue with Gil... I do not cheat and I do not run levequests AT ALL. I just farmed all the gwibs and ocassionally it dropped me the related scale/light/wings whatever material that I sold for 400-500k Gil per item.... For those who do not want to run these things over and over.

I personally think it is fair to ask for my time spent the Gil amount for those who do not want to suffer through a training group and learn the extremes.

In addition some people are just not taking time to learn the game to use marketboard properly.

Like how people sell items on the board below they actual market value. If you are a sprout and you do not understand that the item says it sells for 159 Gil (which would be the amount you get if you sell at a vendor) and you put that item up on the board for 89 Gil which will be even lower due the interest, then I am sorry bit it is your fault you are poor.
This is all about reading.

I dunno about cheating and bots. I never seen one thank god. But I hope these will be solved in the future.

I usually report any RTM activity when I see one to get rid of those people.

There are no poor people there are just people in the beginner phase and people in the advanced phase. By the time a sprout reaches level 80 they should be able to have a couple million gil just by farming extremes and selling the items on the board, if they really want to have money and can bloody READ.
In this case there is no social system but there are FC houses where you have a shared asset if you think about it like that. Your involvement in the FC will eventually result in you getting your share.
I am even part of a linkshell where we help each other out...

All you need to have in this MMO RPG that is (as in the type name) about playing with other people, IS, to talk to other people, be kind, work together. People are very helpful. I hear stories every day of people gifting exarchig gear or mounts/ or minions to others randomly. Not to mention when you enter an FC...

[Izscha]

I dunno about cheating and bots. I never seen one thank god. But I hope these will be solved in the future.

I usually report any RTM activity when I see one to get rid of those people.

You simply can't, because unlike rmt those crafters are never in the open, they're hiding in private / fc house were no one can see them crafting for days straight never moving or anything.
You can't have hard proof that someone is using bots when it comes to that unless they talk about it.
The only one you can spot are the gathering ones, and they're obvious. Using chocobos as only mount and doing the same thing / same flying route at the exact same timing each single time.

[Minnel]

The worst part is if the company start implementing measures that 'checks' if you're a bot or not, it usually ends up solving nothing and making things worse for the actual players. You ban them, those botters will just make more accounts cause getting banned doesn't mean much for them. I've played several games where such measures were taken and good lord. There were also cases where actual players were getting banned instead too. It sucks that, as of now, there are no ways to win against botters.

[Myrany]

Except that's not true because people who started playing in ARR/Heavensward benefitted from playing early, as they have much more time to amass wealth. And you know what they say, you use money to make money. So it becomes a snowball and they make more and more money with the money they have. People who start later just can't catch up.

Honestly you don't need THAT much gil to do most things in game.You don't NEED a mansion. An apartment is perfectly usable as a personal space in game. You don't NEED expensive glam. If you can manage half decent gear, food and potions, repair costs. You don't need much of anything else.

It is a difference between "I WANT" and "I NEED."

It is actually very easy for a new player to take care of the "I NEED" stuff without going out of their way to do it just in the course of leveling their first class.

[Setesh45]

Except that's not true because people who started playing in ARR/Heavensward benefitted from playing early, as they have much more time to amass wealth. And you know what they say, you use money to make money. So it becomes a snowball and they make more and more money with the money they have. People who start later just can't catch up.

You're just salty you're bad at making gil, lol.
I've been playing since day 1 of ARR, where's my amassed wealth? I have a little over 200k gil atm! I'm constantly broke.
On the other hand there are people who have played for just a few months and have millions...