Please consider option to exclude unlocked (not yet completed) contents from Roulette

[LazuliteKouha]

I was playing through the MSQ until I reached a certain Trial.
I want to do it with my friends, but people have different schedules, so the plan was to do it during night time or on weekends.

In the meantime, we still want to do our daily roulette.
And for whatever luck, I got that Trial pops on my roulette.

Of course I could just abandon, but I was too flustered by the fact I got it popped on my roulette and telling the party that it's my first time, to the point I forgot abandon is even an option. (besides, it wasn't really prime time, so I might screw the rest of the players to wait/re-queue by abandoning)

I could think of other examples for how people could find this option useful, but I also understand there are arguments for how this option is unnecessary.

I just hope if the devs read this, they will consider adding an option to exclude unlocked but not yet completed contents from the Roulettes.

[Rongway]

This option is too easy to abuse for too little benefit when someone could just not run their roulette if they're saving a duty for a particular friend.

[Seera1024]

This option is too easy to abuse for too little benefit when someone could just not run their roulette if they're saving a duty for a particular friend.

How could it be abused?

Not seeing how so not sure what the problem is.

I had been avoiding normal raid queue as I didn't want to do Alpha 4 without my friends. Not sure how me having an option to not have Alpha 4 in roulette could be an abuse when I could have not unlocked it and achieved the same thing.

[Rongway]

How could it be abused?

When the Duty Roulettes were introduced in ARR Patch 2.1, the requirements for what was then called "Duty Roulette: High Level", were just unlocking two duties that belong to the roulette. At the time, Pharos Sirius had a reputation for being (a) difficult and (b) long, so many people avoided unlocking it at all so that they wouldn't have to do it in roulette. To combat this, ARR Patch 2.2 changed the requirement for DR:High Level to be "completion of all duties" instead of just "unlock two or more duties". This forced the people who were avoiding Pharos Sirius to unlock it or give up the roulette.

Registration for Duty Roulette: High Level now requires the completion of all associated duties.
The above changes to Duty Roulette requirements have been made in light reward adjustments, and to give players further incentive to complete all the duties within each category. Furthermore, because a great number of players who register for Duty Roulette have not cleared all duties within a given category, the above changes should also improve average waiting times for players who register for duties directly.

* All players will be required to fulfill the completion requirements of each Duty Roulette category even if they were able to register prior to patch 2.2.

Since then, DR: High Level has become DR:50 then DR:50/60 and now DR:AllOldCapLevels and the requirement re-relaxed to just unlocking of duties because it spans multiple cap levels and one might want to use it on a character that is, e.g., Lv60 and therefore unable to access Lv70 duties.

If given an option to exclude any duty from a roulette for any reason, some people will use it to avoid doing a duty ever. If anything, the current roulette requirements are already too lax--people can unlock just MSQ-required dungeons and never have to run any others in their roulette. The roulette should require unlocking all duties up to your current job's level so that people can't tailor their roulettes to a specific duty set.

At any rate, adding an option to exclude unlocked but incomplete duties from a roulette so that people can save certain duties for certain friends is not worth the implementation time when you consider the abuse potential and that people who want to save certain duties for certain friends can already do so by simply not running their roulette until they've run the certain duty with the certain friends.

[Seera1024]

When the Duty Roulettes were introduced in ARR Patch 2.1, the requirements for what was then called "Duty Roulette: High Level", were just unlocking two duties that belong to the roulette. At the time, Pharos Sirius had a reputation for being (a) difficult and (b) long, so many people avoided unlocking it at all so that they wouldn't have to do it in roulette. To combat this, ARR Patch 2.2 changed the requirement for DR:High Level to be "completion of all duties" instead of just "unlock two or more duties". This forced the people who were avoiding Pharos Sirius to unlock it or give up the roulette.



Since then, DR: High Level has become DR:50 then DR:50/60 and now DR:AllOldCapLevels and the requirement re-relaxed to just unlocking of duties because it spans multiple cap levels and one might want to use it on a character that is, e.g., Lv60 and therefore unable to access Lv70 duties.

If given an option to exclude any duty from a roulette for any reason, some people will use it to avoid doing a duty ever. If anything, the current roulette requirements are already too lax--people can unlock just MSQ-required dungeons and never have to run any others in their roulette. The roulette should require unlocking all duties up to your current job's level so that people can't tailor their roulettes to a specific duty set.

At any rate, adding an option to exclude unlocked but incomplete duties from a roulette so that people can save certain duties for certain friends is not worth the implementation time when you consider the abuse potential and that people who want to save certain duties for certain friends can already do so by simply not running their roulette until they've run the certain duty with the certain friends.

I understand the reasoning for those. But not all roulettes require that. I'd be fine with the ones not set like that to be allowed to exclude unlocked but not completed. And I know not all of them are set that way, as I only have MSQ required dungeons and trials unlocked mostly, especially post-ARR. And the only roulette I can't do is Level 80.

I do feel that it's not something that should be high priority, but it's not something that I would be upset if they added to the game.

[LazuliteKouha]

Having said all that, I'm still genuinely curious about your opinion.

If we're talking about abusing the roulette, aren't people already abusing it by intentionally using low level gears and/or unequipping pieces of their gears?
And adding an option to exclude unlocked but not yet completed duty from roulette would not affect this. (unless I'm missing something?)

I never experienced the Pharos Sirius example that you mentioned so CMIIW but that sounds more like a case of badly designed roulette, way too small pool of duties (and that is already including optional ones).
Could you give another example based on the roulettes that we currently have?
If we implement the option, what kind of abuse potential, how and on which roulette do you think it will be abused?

[LazuliteKouha]

I'm a bit confused, how does not doing sidequest/optional content considered abuse?
If I didn't do any sidequest/optional content, shouldn't that "punish" me instead?
I'll have less content on my roulette pool, thus longer queue time for me.

If given an option to exclude any duty from a roulette for any reason, some people will use it to avoid doing a duty ever.

I would like to emphasize that I didn't mean the option to pick what duties to exclude from the roulette, just the option to exclude not yet completed duties.
I'm assuming if people unlock any optional duty, they plan to complete it.
If I didn't care about a certain optional duty/content, I wouldn't even touch the NPC.
(I personally haven't found any situation/reason where I'd unlock an optional content but don't want to complete it, if there's any that people actually do, please let me know)

In my opinion, putting not yet completed duties inside roulette pool doesn't really make sense.
If someone want to complete a duty that they've unlocked (but not yet completed), they'd queue that particular duty directly anyway.
And the roulette is there to incentivize people to "help" them.

If anything, the current roulette requirements are already too lax--people can unlock just MSQ-required dungeons and never have to run any others in their roulette. The roulette should require unlocking all duties up to your current job's level so that people can't tailor their roulettes to a specific duty set.

I assume you mean the roulette should require unlocking all duties, including optional ones.
So, only people who unlock everything can access the roulette? How is this any good for the game?
I understand if your point of view is "roulette is to incentivize people to login daily" etc., but roulette is also there to incentivize people to "help" others who want to complete their duty with matchmaking.
If you make it so that only those who unlocked all duties can use the roulette, you'll reduce the amount of people they can matchmake with, longer queue time for them, and for you too cause there'll be less people who can use said roulette.

people who want to save certain duties for certain friends can already do so by simply not running their roulette until they've run the certain duty with the certain friends.

I knew this is coming.. I could also think of a 'simply...' solution for what you think is an abuse of the roulette system, but it'll most likely just goes back and forth and turn nasty, so I'll stop there.

[Adeacia]

(I personally haven't found any situation/reason where I'd unlock an optional content but don't want to complete it, if there's any that people actually do, please let me know)

I do that all the time. I unlock the savage and extreme content when it becomes available but never actually run it. Not sure I ever will either. Why do I unlock it then? Because I can. I try to unlock all the games content, even if I never end up running it.

[Warlyx]

DR 50-60-70 should give more rewards imo or have a role bonus