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  1. #161
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    Nethereal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    Well, it can be simply explained by refering to your tag there. Actually you DO have to be mindful of other players in 14. You can't just baselessly boot other players for your own, personal reasons. You have to be able to justify it if the person your group kicks feels offended enough to complain to a GM, and according to the recent ToS updates, discriminating against another player based on play style, even very poor play style, is a big no no, which is essentially what happened to OP.
    Interesting you have to be mindful of your fellow players. Very good, I understand now thank you.

    My friend says it's the difference between being fitting & proper.
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

  2. #162
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Willing to bet it was a healer that was leveling through lax content. It's no different than tanks leveling through other means instead of learning to tank through actual tanking content.

    Healing leveling dungeons is "harder" than doing "expert" roulette or things like Bozja any day as ilvl cap will stunt the bad healers just like that, no gear carry won't allow them to be lazy.



    You can kick for play style, you just can't be aggressive about it. Like if an FC queued with 2 people in a dungeon, you know who's going to win the vote draw. Plenty of people play this game like they think everyone solo queues everything.
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    Last edited by technole; 11-23-2021 at 12:19 AM.

  3. #163
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    Lil Imp
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    Well, it can be simply explained by refering to your tag there. Actually you DO have to be mindful of other players in 14. You can't just baselessly boot other players for your own, personal reasons. You have to be able to justify it if the person your group kicks feels offended enough to complain to a GM, and according to the recent ToS updates, discriminating against another player based on play style, even very poor play style, is a big no no, which is essentially what happened to OP.
    Based on OPs pattern of behavior throughout the entire arc of the situation, it's not hard to make inferences about the nature of the exchange he had with his party prior to his dismissal. Seeking emotional validation over a bad dungeon run, particularly one where any reasonable person would recognize they were underprepared, is not the type of behavior an emotionally stable adult engages in. The very existence of this post implies a strong emotional attachment to the situation that the OP can't let go of.

    OP's replies throughout this thread have contained needless aggression towards anyone challenging his narrative. Don't you think it reasonable to infer he probably reacted similarly towards the people who challenged him in the dungeon itself?

    Even in OP's biased recounting of events, you can plainly see inklings of his tone and the way he was thinking about and treating his team-mates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necrogen View Post
    He responds back to me genuinely clueless. And I told him I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're not clueless you're just not listening. He carried on to defend the fact that he was genuinely clueless. I facepalmed... There are some dumb people that play this game... Even after 7 years. He actually blamed the Creator for why he thinks DPS is necessary for a healer class... I still don't buy it.
    OP was probably dismissed for harassment, in addition to his obstructive gameplay.
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  4. #164
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    Kantis Sagi
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Based on OPs pattern of behavior throughout the entire arc of the situation, it's not hard to make inferences about the nature of the exchange he had with his party prior to his dismissal. Seeking emotional validation over a bad dungeon run, particularly one where any reasonable person would recognize they were underprepared, is not the type of behavior an emotionally stable adult engages in. The very existence of this post implies a strong emotional attachment to the situation that the OP can't let go of.

    OP's replies throughout this thread have contained needless aggression towards anyone challenging his narrative. Don't you think it reasonable to infer he probably reacted similarly towards the people who challenged him in the dungeon itself?

    Even in OP's biased recounting of events, you can plainly see inklings of his tone and the way he was thinking about and treating his team-mates.



    OP was probably dismissed for harassment, in addition to his obstructive gameplay.
    i didn't think this thread would blow up as much as it did. I will tell you that whatever narrative you're drawing up is of no consequence to me. I know what happened as I was there. I'm not asking for validation as some of you guys are accusing me of. I also...clearly explained what had happened and what the point of the thread was. anything you're coming up with is just pettiness with the intent of misrepresenting what was going on.
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  5. #165
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    I'll say honestly that i got over it the night it happened. Again, I requeued in and completed it regardless what other users here are accusing me of. Truth be told, i got to 70 and did that dungeon again for duty roulette and i STILL saw instances where healers were being lazy. The game scales you down, we all know this. I can still die to mobs. It happened. I'm just perusing the nonsense replies here and thinking these people act like they've never died before to lazy healing. ITs whatever. I'm about to hit 80 and finish the SHB MSQs and Post quests. its all good here.

    The point of this whole thread was to say that we have players here whom have the wrong idea of prioritization.
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  6. #166
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrogen View Post
    I'll say honestly that i got over it the night it happened. Again, I requeued in and completed it regardless what other users here are accusing me of. Truth be told, i got to 70 and did that dungeon again for duty roulette and i STILL saw instances where healers were being lazy. The game scales you down, we all know this. I can still die to mobs. It happened. I'm just perusing the nonsense replies here and thinking these people act like they've never died before to lazy healing. ITs whatever. I'm about to hit 80 and finish the SHB MSQs and Post quests. its all good here.

    The point of this whole thread was to say that we have players here whom have the wrong idea of prioritization.
    Complaining about about lazy healers whilst being no better yourself isn't a great look tbh. Exaggerating points to the extremes that you did was the icing on the cake. Just let it die++
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  7. #167
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    hynaku's Avatar
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    Inglis Eucus
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    Easy if you wipe on the first group of monsters or first boss because of healer not healing kick them. Like some where they say your hp went down to fast and couldn't heal you when been at that level of hp for few minutes. If it is the tank thats the problem kick them. I have been in few dungeons where ether the healer or tank been a bot.
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  8. #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Complaining about about lazy healers whilst being no better yourself isn't a great look tbh. Exaggerating points to the extremes that you did was the icing on the cake. Just let it die++
    oh hey, petty post #40.
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  9. #169
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    Lu'kas Steinfheld
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    I'd love to believe you're over it, I really would, but then you come here and bump the thread days after the discussion had died down.

    Balancing DPS and Healing isn't 'wrong prioritization', it's what a healer does. You can agree or disagree, but continuing to argue about it here isn't going to accomplish anything nor exonerate you in the eyes of those who have already 'cast their judgement', if you will.

    Just let it die.
    Please.
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  10. #170
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexis View Post
    I'd love to believe you're over it, I really would, but then you come here and bump the thread days after the discussion had died down.

    Balancing DPS and Healing isn't 'wrong prioritization', it's what a healer does. You can agree or disagree, but continuing to argue about it here isn't going to accomplish anything nor exonerate you in the eyes of those who have already 'cast their judgement', if you will.

    Just let it die.
    Please.
    excuse me...I will post on the thread I made as I please. I didn't have the time to converse with others as I have things to do outside of the forums. Today i had some time and didn't see that people stopped posting on it a couple days ago. You don't need to be here. Thanks
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