Baffling behavior

[Izscha]

Guess we'll never know since he's apparently wisely abandoned this thread, but certainly he wasn't given much if a chance to show whether he had the skill to make up for his lack of gear since the main problem he cited was a lack of support from heals.

Hard to keep replying when you're shown that you're wrong on so many levels, better quit and make you tiny for a bit.
He got several jobs 80, but no tank he just had no idea what to do, got mad at that group and vent here, lot of ppl did show why he was wrong and that the burden falls on him aswell and he has quit the thread. Nothing more to it really.
Whatever he could say now those are facts, he was undergeared and he's not a good tank so no wonder he got obliterate if healer doesn't babysit his a** and that's not something that must happen in content as easy as dungeons in the first place.

[Nethereal]

he got obliterate if healer doesn't babysit his a** and that's not something that must happen in content as easy as dungeons in the first place.

Woah now that's elitist.

SE allowed this to happen obviously the healer just needs to adjust and make a cure2x15 macro and stop crying.

I haven't seen reaching like this since Inspector Gadget

Your pocketheal chicken is very cute.

[Izscha]

Woah now that's elitist.

SE allowed this to happen obviously the healer just needs to adjust and make a cure2x15 macro and stop crying.

Oh right i forgot that, sry =^_^= i will rp in limsa for 10 hours as a punishment.

[Rinhi]

And was he "intentionally" making things harder? Sure doesn't seem so. Seems like he was given one single chance and it seems like he never got the healer's full attention for either wipe.

yes, he cheated the ilvl requirement with accessories not meant for a tank

There was no dispute either, no debating mentioned, just a quick dismissal without explanation.

why waste time trying to convince and ilvl cheesing tank that complained about the healer that he's wrong in his ways? hell, it was for his best, too, considering he got carried through it by enablers

It's only from OP's honest admissions that it can be perceived that he was under geared.

as someone else pointed it out, it was someone else who pointed out just how insanely undergeared the OP was

And have you ever seen someone que for Aurum Vale naked? I doubt it. Have you ever seen someone doing a lv 69 dungeon in lv 60 gear? Probably if you've played this game very long.

I've had multiple runs like that, for that matter, either people ilvl cheesing like the OP or queuing up with glam gear and refusing to equip their good gear because 'reasons'

You call that trolling?

I'm convinced you are, at this point

[Drkdays]

Ya'll sound like high schoolers laughing at dumb jokes at your locker between classes.

No it's not trolling to disagree with you (I feel like I have to say that a lot and it makes me fear for humanity)

Yes, tank was under geared. You don't have to keep pointing it out each time like it's a game changing revelation, we know.

Yes, the tank was clearly struggling and new (to tanking,at least), this is not grounds to kick him. Please refer to recently updated ToS.

No running in the halls!

Again, based on everything op said, the group made little effort to even try going forward with him, especially the healer if what he says is true (which I assume, since there's no way to know otherwise.)

Which is why I brought up the double standards in healing. I'm continually reading from healers that they want to heal but can't because it's to easy to top off and maintain players, yet this healer seems to have demonstrated the slippery slope healers are on by apparently deciding that ultimately dps and speed were more important than healing,as demonstrated by racing ahead of the tank causing his first death and, by the tanks word, spending too much time dpsing when healing was needed, and finally agreeing to kick an under geared tank in favor of a potentially more geared tank to make healing and dpsing easier and the run faster. The moment the team faced adversity, they ruthlessly and wordlesly culled the tank. Bad form.

They had the right to vote kick him, same as any party has the right to vote kick anyone, and OP has the right to contend it.

[Rinhi]

if the tank melts in 2-3 seconds from 3 mobs, OP's own words, so fast that he couldn't press his own cooldowns, a healer would not be able to save him either, yet he expected them to do so
which is why I don't buy the OP's story that the second group had no problems, tbh
you're generalizing every healer over a group of people wanting to heal more things, yet forgot to mention that just about as much want more dps spells, probably about the same amount of players want both and a fourth group is happy as is

[Nethereal]

Yes, the tank was clearly struggling and new, this is not grounds to kick him. Please refer to recently updated ToS.

I'm still lost SE allows anyone to kick anyone for any reason, that fact alone is grounds alone to kick anyone for any or no reason, because SE allows it. If it was against ToS they wouldn't allow it.

Am I missing something here? I mean at this point who cares about OP how could SE allow him to get kicked OP did nothing wrong OP was allowed in the dungeon.

[Drkdays]

I'm still lost SE allows anyone to kick anyone for any reason, that fact alone is grounds alone to kick anyone for any or no reason, because SE allows it. If it was against ToS they wouldn't allow it.

Am I missing something here?

Yes, you are.

[Nethereal]

Yes, you are.

Sorry I had to update my previous post because this is all so confusing. Can you review it again?

[Drkdays]

Sorry I had to update my previous post because this is all so confusing. Can you review it again?

Well, it can be simply explained by refering to your tag there. Actually you DO have to be mindful of other players in 14. You can't just baselessly boot other players for your own, personal reasons. You have to be able to justify it if the person your group kicks feels offended enough to complain to a GM, and according to the recent ToS updates, discriminating against another player based on play style, even very poor play style, is a big no no, which is essentially what happened to OP.