Baffling behavior

[Drkdays]

Lol.

I'm not defending anyone in this episode as it's just all too vague. This entire post is just a teetering stack of assumptions that really don't add up. I can't tell who really knows what happened in there, but I can tell you who doesn't. Us.

But go on, you side with your tank buddy. Those nasty healers deserve to be kicked back into the pockets they climbed out of right?

Your talk is nothing but lies, falsehoods and poison. That goes for here and in the healer forums as well.

You're going to have to point out these lies for me. I'll wait.

It's not lying or poison or falsehoods to disagree with the masses. That kind of weak-minded argument will get you nowhere. My comments are based entirely on what OP said. It's possible to draw different conclusions from the same evidence and we base those conclusions on experience. That should go without saying, but calling me a liar because I suggest it's more the healer's fault more than you're willing to believe is outstandingly childish.

[Maxilor]

lvl 69

Nice.

But sorry that happened to you OP.

But like you said, they did you a favor vote kicking you and giving you a penalty free way out of that situation.

Just forget it and move on.

[Banriikku]

Hmmm,weird... missing information and mucho exaggerations.
I dont know but if i take youre post seriously then youre gear was way off, if youre just exaggerated the point then i am missing some information and it was not that bad.
Sorry but the whole thread sounds just like the normal bashing for "healers bad" or it is a hidden "tanks bad" thread. Maybe both... that would be new ....

[Breakbeat]

Darn, I was late with my inb4; people already think OP is in the wrong!

Is there any topic on Earth you could post without a differing opinion to yours?

Imagine the darkest, most heinous crap on Earth - you post condemning that thing. There will always be another human with ideas contrary to yours, explaining why that thing is not only un-heinous, but should be celebrated by the masses.

I mean, I get the humor of racing to an 'inb4', but exactly what would you post where none of the other 8 billion people on this planet disagree with you? I could post a thread on ending world hunger, and it's guaranteed someone will oppose the idea... shoot, it'd probably be Godwinned within the first few pages.

Ironically, and IMVHO, OP is glossing over details, misrepresenting what happened, or something of that sort. Random, roving packs of players just itching to do something toxic don't exist. I call BS on anyone claiming that they just happened to run across some toxic, horrible group. There's nearly always an explanation for why one got vote-kicked or asked to leave, or things along that line.

[MirielleLavandre]

Hmm...I main tank, but when trying to see this situation from the eyes of a healer, if I were that healer and given the current fear of being reported for saying just about anything, I'd think: "Gee, first pull was probably my own fault and the dps since we assumed more than a 1 pack pull. My bad, let's try again." Next pull, I see the tank's health getting almost instantly (in OP's own words) obliterated, maybe check their gear, understand after having played forever that it isn't worthwhile to even attempt to run this dungeon with this tank, and so let them die (since I probably couldn't save him fast enough anyway) and continue to dps the pack down as much and as fast as I can so we can have all the mobs dead in order to kick him.

This is just what I kinda see could go through some healers minds (mine, included, for when I heal). Of course, none of them probably said anything and let the OP be the only one to chat, since even saying 'you need better gear' could be misconstrued lol.

[Drkdays]

Because I said healers should struggle in solo content? That's true of a class the is heal focused rather than damage focus. Obviously.

Because I said healers should provide only MODERATE damage (moderate is more than zero, for the literary challenged) or else why bother differentiating them from dps? Also true.

No lies here but your accusations.

Again, there is a minimum ilv required that op must have met. Healing him might have been a challenge, but far from impossible with a lv 69 healer toolkit, but they refused to even try. And it seems pretty obvious that the healer had negative feelings for op, so it's safe to assume that if he wasn't the one to initiate the boot, he had no problems agreeing to it.

Zero effort given to even try, or is voting out a player after 2 wipes (one of which was simply a flub of general group error) even before the first boss considered honest group effort?

Very unimpressive behavior. Could the tank have had better gear? Sure. But he met the requirements.

Sorry if this is triggering you, it's not a personal attack. Maybe you should talk to someone...

[Sebazy]

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

Oh and just to nip this little narrative of yours in the bud before you try to continue on with it:

I've had some horrifically under geared tanks in dungeons before, my favourite that springs straight to mind was one with a tank that had ~14k hp vs myself on SCH at 17.5k.. This was also back in the days of cleric stance. But despite that, it was absolutely fine, we had no deaths, the run was clean and my damage was fine. Oh and above all. It was actually really good fun.

So no, I'm of the opinion that given what little we know about events, the healer was every bit as likely to be at fault as the tank. As for why the tank got kicked and not the healer? Where they salty in chat? Did they refuse to release and run back? Who knows? Certainly not me, thus I'm not defending anyone here.

[Sebazy]

Again, there is a minimum ilv required that op must have met. Healing him might have been a challenge, but far from impossible with a lv 69 healer toolkit, but they refused to even try.

Again, please quote where the healer refused to try or stop spinning your lies. Thanks.

And it seems pretty obvious that the healer had negative feelings for op, so it's safe to assume that if he wasn't the one to initiate the boot, he had no problems agreeing to it.

Again, please quote where the OP suggested that the healer said anything whatsoever or stop spinning your lies. There's every chance that they were as oblivious to the chat and vote kick as they were the tank needing some healing.

Zero effort given to even try, or is voting out a player after 2 wipes (one of which was simply a flub of general group error) even before the first boss considered honest group effort?

Again, please note the timer before a vote kick can be initiated. Stop spinning your lies. Thanks.

Very unimpressive behavior. Could the tank have had better gear? Sure. But he met the requirements.

Did you miss the part where the tank got called out for using healer/aiming accessories? Stop spinning your lies. Thanks.

Sorry if this is triggering you, it's not a personal attack. Maybe you should talk to someone...

Tell you what, we can get a group booking. You tell the doctor where the healer touched you, I'll tell them where the liar touched me

[Drkdays]

This is getting redundant, but one more time (note that this is all hearsay, but that's all we've ever had):

Tank noted healer was focusing on dps and spoke up asking for heals.

The required ilv would consist of gear past lv 50 at least but likely around 60 and therefore would contain vitality if not more tank centered stats, so even if he was rocking piety instead of strength, his health would be largely unaffected and his armor would be acceptable, too, since he'd be past the point where you would see disciple of war gear that he could use. It would definitely be tank armor.

It doesn't matter how long it took for those two wipes, if they gave up after just two wipes and before the first boss. Whether they spent half an hour shouting at each other, to kick a tank before the first boss and after just two wipes is pretty lame, though I think there is something about the timer being negated after a full wipe. Not sure but it hardly matters.

In any case, I've said my piece. Tank could have been geared better but the healer could have tried harder. Vote kicking should be reserved for trolls and afks. And no, being geared imperfectly is not trolling.

That's it.

[Rinhi]

and as it's been posted before, the tank clearly cheesed his ilvl with healer and dps pieces while the left sided pieces were far below the ilvl required
it's not the parties' job to enable this kind of behaviour and carry them throughout a dungeon they aren't geared for, kind of a shame that the other group did it, maybe if they had done the same the OP wouldn't have felt compelled to hate on/complain about the first group and realized that it's his own responsibility to be geared well for the content and not the responsibility of everyone else
personal responsibility goes a long way, tbh