Baffling behavior

[TaleraRistain]

The thing about dpsing as a healer is that the party shouldn't even notice that a healer is doing it. If a party is noticing the healer isn't keeping them at whatever level is needed for them to perform their roles and is dpsing instead, then that healer has failed at the necessary balance between healing and dpsing. And especially in a party with randoms where we don't know how someone plays, it's better to err on the side of caution and keep that level higher than we might with friends.

In this particular case, it sounds like the tank was undergeared so parameters are slightly different. But it's a good general rule of thumb to focus on our main role first and balance that where we can with dps. Neither role we play should be to the detriment of the other.

[Floortank]

There's some huge time gap problems in the tank's story.

If I'm a DPS and pull 3 mobs I still don't die in two seconds, so I'm not sure how the tank is dying that fast.

But anyway, you can't vote kick someone until the dungeon is at least five minutes old, so something tells me more than just two botched pulls happened.

[Nethereal]

There's some huge time gap problems in the tank's story.

If I'm a DPS and pull 3 mobs I still don't die in two seconds, so I'm not sure how the tank is dying that fast.

But anyway, you can't vote kick someone until the dungeon is at least five minutes old, so something tells me more than just two botched pulls happened.

Eh you can waste a lot of time typing after those two botched pulls especially due to the nature they took.
The level 69 dungeon has a bit of distance between the pulls especially the first one. I imagine OP stopped at the first pack the group kept running for another 5-10 seconds to get to the second pack and OP was already dead by the time they realized he stopped at the first pack. Party may or may not have wiped but it probably took anywhere between 1-3 minutes just from that one pull.

OP finishes the first pull completey gets the 3 packs of mobs, dies after about 5-10 seconds, party wipes, more time wasted typing.
This particular dungeon has some fairly hard hitting mobs even by themselves and the distance between the packs is fairly large as well, you also break LoS instantly you leave the first group.
I wouldn't say it's an exaggeration that the time it took to reach complete pull was 30 seconds alone, not counting sprint. So I can totally see him dying extremely fast (with level 60 gear on & other class gear) before they even had a chance to save him.

In case anyone wants to know what this dungeon is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if_qYha2-LY

Communication through typing takes a long time, especially when people aren't being genuine.

[Floortank]

Five whole minutes on two pulls is a lot of omitted something. Whether it be... more than two pulls, more than two wipes, or lots of things said that were said in anger. You get my point.

[Drkdays]

Yikes, you really do despise healers don't you. It might be worth seeking some help for that tbh.

What an odd thing to say. I love healing classes and find it the most thrilling and challenging thing you can do. So much personal responsibility! Not towards the dungeons so much as towards the party. If the tank dies, naturally it can be attributed to how they perform, and yes, gear, but his life is always in the healer's hands.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who plays a healer, which comes with a correspondingly high set of standards.

I read so many complaints about how healers have it too easy, but this healer totally failed to rise to the challenge, and worse, apparently just gave up even trying.

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

[Raven2014]

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

Eh ... reach much? You're making it sound like he's someone diligent trying his best while the fact he doesn't try at all.

- If he was truly trying, he wouldn't enter a dungeon 10 level behind in gears. We don't call that unimpressive, we call that irresponsible.

- He proudly claimed he hasn't master "hyperspeed" in mocking of others asking why he doesn't pop his CD. Yet he has no problem accusing of healer not doing the same thing for him. This shows he's pretty entitled and hardly a team player.

Usually when someone being a snowflake coming to this forum crying about their experience, it's hard not to be skeptical about their claim. But at the very least if to be taken at face value, the one sided story would often make the creator looks good. Yet this tank story is so bad that he already makes himself look bad without even skepticism, make me wonder how bad the original version of the story would be. You're trying to make it sound like he's a victim of unfair treatment, I would say it was the party that was his victim, and not just the healer. That's why the "party" (not the healer) kicked him.

This is not a story of a tank died becaus the healer prefer to dps instead of heal, god know I've been on the wrong side of that problem so many time. This is the story of a tank coming into a dungeon wholly unprepared and got pissed because other does not meet the standards he does not hold himself to.

[Kraniel]

You see 3 bad players.

I see 4.

[Liam_Harper]

Healer fell asleep that second pull, did he?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! I wish all I had to do was heal, but the game won't let me! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

You know what the double standard really is?

The Cure I and Medica II spamming healbot can let people die 10 times and the group will just shrug and assume it was too much damage, because "the healers trying their best" and probably comm them for Raising after the mess.

The efficient healer however, who is pouring out a ton of dps and managing their entire oGCD healing toolkit well, will be instantly jumped on the moment one death or wipe happens during a Glare, Broil or Malefic cast. Somehow doing any dps at all means you aren't allowed to make a single mistake or misjudgement.

That's the common double standard.

[Edenn]

> My team leaves out of range...full well seeing me stop. I die due to no heals. They explain that they believed i was pulling more. I said no problem. its okay. how do we get to the next batch and still die? we all stopped and I observe my healer doing DPS...on 3 peeps...

I'm assuming the dungeon you mean is Castrum Abania, as you said lvl 69, but if i remember correctly, theres only one spot where you can pull more than one group at a time, the stretch of mobs in containers on the way to the last boss. Other than that, you have to pull group by group (3 peeps, as you said). Although they hit hard, it shouldn't be THIS bad for a healer. As a whm main, I can pop a regen and holy spam with a lily or two on the tank with no issues (if theyre using CDs)

Your story, at least to me, is not tracking well. Yes the mobs hit hard there, esp in the first few groups, but its more of a mitigation check than a heal check.

[Sebazy]

What an odd thing to say. I love healing classes and find it the most thrilling and challenging thing you can do. So much personal responsibility! Not towards the dungeons so much as towards the party. If the tank dies, naturally it can be attributed to how they perform, and yes, gear, but his life is always in the healer's hands.

I have a lot of respect for anyone who plays a healer, which comes with a correspondingly high set of standards.

I read so many complaints about how healers have it too easy, but this healer totally failed to rise to the challenge, and worse, apparently just gave up even trying.

Imagine defending a healer that voted out a tank, however unimpressively geared, who was apparently still willing to try, before the first boss.

What a total lack of confidence, competence, empathy, and job ethic. Seems like he just wanted to go fast and focus on dps.

Of course OP was baffled. That's hardly the standard expected of FF14 healers. It should be heals/team support > dps.

Again, I have no issues with healers dpsing, but not at the cost of even trying to support a struggling tank.

Lol.

I'm not defending anyone in this episode as it's just all too vague. This entire post is just a teetering stack of assumptions that really don't add up. I can't tell who really knows what happened in there, but I can tell you who doesn't. Us.

But go on, you side with your tank buddy. Those nasty healers deserve to be kicked back into the pockets they climbed out of right?

Your talk is nothing but lies, falsehoods and poison. That goes for here and in the healer forums as well.