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  1. #101
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    DragoAskani's Avatar
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    Amy Rosenbaum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrogen View Post
    Mind you, it wasnt 3 mobs or groups. It was 3 dudes. Not 3 sets of 3 or 4 guys. Just 3. In the span of 2 seconds, my life gets melted, healer was just negligent. Im glad im not crazy and many others here understand that healers can just be bad.
    Nope you are the bad one here. Sounds like very bad gear. No tank in level appropriate gear will ever die that fast to a single pack. Just like I said before for emphasis lets point out that you say you dont have time to use a ogcd mitigation, but expect the healer to be psychic and realize that you are so trash geared that you are going to be deleted by a single pack in 2 seconds. GG for being the worst tank I have ever heard of in 8 years.
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  2. #102
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    DragoAskani's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    Do you really need cooldowns for one pack of mobs if the healer is actually healing...?

    Here I thought healing was too easy, healers WANT to heal but there is never enough damage done to heal, one heal cast per pack, etc...yet the tank died twice before the first boss and before anyone else?

    The conclusion seems clear.
    Yeah the conclusion is clear. Hes in gear with less defensive stats and hp then the dps probably had and was expecting to be carried to 70 where his ilvl 400 gear he bought is waiting for him (he admits has gear for 70). If a tank can't survive 3 mobs for 2 seconds (his words) then that tank has no business being there. Period.
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  3. #103
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    Skivvy's Avatar
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    Boo Box
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    Rafflesia
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DragoAskani View Post
    But in general the must keep all hp bars at 90% full at all times healers are actually kinda bad healers.
    Just wanted to add, keeping HP at 90% all the time is a bit excessive for most content. With how scripted fights are, it's easy to learn which moves are tankbusters/aoes, what move is next, etc, and healers can adjust their DPS/healing accordingly. Obviously there are exceptions where you may want or need to babysit HP more, but generally we have a lot more wiggle room to play with.
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  4. #104
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    Willig Rowde
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    The OP's behavior truly was baffling.
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  5. #105
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    When trying to get internet points goes wrong.
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  6. #106
    Player RitsukoSonoda's Avatar
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    Ritsuko Sonoda
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    So I stopped reading this after page 2. This literally sounds like OP is horrendously undergeared as a tank if they're dying pulling a single group in a lv 69 duty as a single pull can be killed without a healer provided the tank isn't wearing wet paper as armor and actually using their mitigation and sustain properly. If the DPS are dying before said tank does then it also leads to the assumption they didn't even turn tank stance on. Forgetting to turn tank stance on is fairly common when you get put into a duty where you're level synced since SE broke the thing they did awhile back to not have tank stance turn off on lvl sync unless synced to a lvl where it wasn't available. However most tanks will usually notice this quickly on the first pull and correct it. When playing tank jobs I make sure my gear is always up to date and it's exceptionally rare that I find a healer that isn't able to handle me pulling 2 packs. I do however frequently find ones that struggle too much or cannot handle a full section wall to wall pull on some duties.

    Playing healer jobs I frequently find undergeared tanks that think they can wall to wall pull and faceplant before even getting halfway to the wall and more than half the time they blame the healer for the failure despite their HP bar going from 100% to 0% faster than the cast bar fills for a heal spell. I've had some duties where myself playing the healer and both DPS actually stopped at group 1 after the first wipe and watched the tank run off and die repeatedly trying to still do a mass pull and eventually ragequit.
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  7. #107
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrogen View Post
    Mind you, it wasnt 3 mobs or groups. It was 3 dudes. Not 3 sets of 3 or 4 guys. Just 3. In the span of 2 seconds, my life gets melted, healer was just negligent. Im glad im not crazy and many others here understand that healers can just be bad.
    Hiya, I hate to dogpile in on this, but if a single mob pack of 3 mobs killed you in 2 seconds then the problem squarely lays with you, or rather your gear.

    Granted I suspect 2 seconds is likely somewhat of an exaggeration but still, yeah you probably need to go buy some vendor or AH gear to bolster up your HP a bit.
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  8. #108
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    Healer fell asleep that second pull, did he?

    These double standards kill me.

    "Healers just want to heal! I wish all I had to do was heal, but the game won't let me! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

    *Tank dies*

    "He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He shoulda pulled more. He shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull. He should have discussed how he was going to tank. Healer are supposed to dps, brah! If the tank was too weak to allow healers to dps then the tank is bad!"

    Conclusion: Healers can do no wrong in FF14.
    Yikes, you really do despise healers don't you. It might be worth seeking some help for that tbh.
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  9. #109
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    Deviously Enchanted
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post

    Granted I suspect 2 seconds is likely somewhat of an exaggeration
    I just thought of something funny while reading your post and thinking about this whole item level meme.

    Have you ever healed a tank in Satasha with a majority of their gear being emperor's new armor? A single instance of damage from a single pack takes them down to 40-30% hp.

    I made a macro called "curex15"
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

  10. #110
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    Luna Star
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 100
    I personally hate telling others how to play... BUT... if a healer is fighting/trying to tank more than heal I do. Seriously not hard to figure roles esp if you are in upper level dungeons.
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    Wise men speak because the have something to say, fools because they have to say something. - Plato - He saw the ff forums apparently.

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