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    So I find it funny that people are blaming his gear. The game has a minilvl put on place so according to squenix, he's geared enough.
    People expectations are always way out of proportions with the gogo mentality and everyone outgearing dungeons.
    One thing that squenix could put in place is having accessories contribute less to your total Ilvl. That way people being "undergeared" would be less frequent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    So I find it funny that people are blaming his gear. The game has a minilvl put on place so according to squenix, he's geared enough.
    People expectations are always way out of proportions with the gogo mentality and everyone outgearing dungeons.
    One thing that squenix could put in place is having accessories contribute less to your total Ilvl. That way people being "undergeared" would be less frequent.
    Minimum ilevel requirements are one of the most heavily criticized aspects of the game. They're almost always set too low, don't account for role-agnostic gear and can be easily skewed by equipping a few pieces of synced gear.

    Thinking that a GNB should be tankier than a DRG at level 69 isn't ridiculous at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    So I find it funny that people are blaming his gear. The game has a minilvl put on place so according to squenix, he's geared enough.
    People expectations are always way out of proportions with the gogo mentality and everyone outgearing dungeons.
    One thing that squenix could put in place is having accessories contribute less to your total Ilvl. That way people being "undergeared" would be less frequent.
    Most of his equipment is below the minimum requirement. He's only allowed in due to his accessories, his weapon, and his belt. Regardless, you're delusional if you believe that because it's technically allowed, going into that dungeon with that level of unpreparedness is totally OK. He wasn't having trouble with wall-to-wall pulls, he couldn't survive 3 mobs without being carried. Asking for better equipment on the tank isn't a big deal when he could have had a giant upgrade from an NPC.

    This is a team game, but it's expected that each member of the team but in some effort and making sure you're properly geared is part of that. Walking around in something the game overall itself considers barely acceptable, you're already asking the people you were just teamed up with to make up for your shortcomings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    So I find it funny that people are blaming his gear. The game has a minilvl put on place so according to squenix, he's geared enough.
    People expectations are always way out of proportions with the gogo mentality and everyone outgearing dungeons.
    One thing that squenix could put in place is having accessories contribute less to your total Ilvl. That way people being "undergeared" would be less frequent.
    ilvl is a hella bad indicator if someone has enough gear or not, do holminster, bardam's or doma at min ilvl and do a normal double pull there, you'll see how much of a non-argument "it's enough" is
    people should always be geared as best as they could, there's no excuse but laziness to not stay on top of your gear game even if you're the casualest player of them all

    also, the same squeenix whose 500 ilvl dungeons (or even certain 50/60/70 dungeons) can be completed without a healer or tank? that squeenix?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lexis View Post
    I'd just like to post a reminder, for clarity's sake, that the OP is using a Healer and a DPS accessory which does bump his ilvl up to meet the requirement, yet contributes little to his actual 'tankiness'. The minimum Ilvl isn't necessarily the issue here, it's the use of inappropriate accessories to cheat said Minimum Ilvl system into letting him queue for higher level dungeons.
    noooo you can't say that, it's the people on the forum who are wrong, he's doing fine and they're just being mean!!

    lmao-ing at people white knighting the self-important behaviour of OP and other similar players of any class, have some self respect
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    So just to clarify, I'm not defending the OP here. I wouldn't be for or against him because we don't have the whole story. Everyone here is just making scenarios in their heads that could be right or way off.
    What my comment was directed at was an actual in game issue that has nothing to do with the OP in question. People can have much lower stats then intended if they get the Ilvl requirement through accessories.
    Also another problem with the current Ilvl system is the massive gap between 50/60/70/80 dungeons and the lvling dungeons. Since we get so much more gear at those lvls we outgear all the end of expansion dungeons. Lvling dungeons however don't really have better gear then what it offers until you get past it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    ilvl is a hella bad indicator if someone has enough gear or not, do holminster, bardam's or doma at min ilvl and do a normal double pull there, you'll see how much of a non-argument "it's enough" is
    This right here is a perfect example of what I meant about expectations. That a double pull is what you consider normal in a dungeon at min ilvl is not right. When you run dungeons when an expansion first comes out, most people are doing single pulls until were able to out gear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    Everyone here is just making scenarios in their heads that could be right or way off.
    Except the OP himself said that he died to 3 enemies in like 2 seconds. That alone speaks truth about his gear.
    No one is making up scenarios on that part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    This right here is a perfect example of what I meant about expectations. That a double pull is what you consider normal in a dungeon at min ilvl is not right. When you run dungeons when an expansion first comes out, most people are doing single pulls until were able to out gear it.
    every newly released dungeon I've played since I started had people wall to walling them, only if the tanks/healers ability/gear (which is on them, not the dungeons themselves) weren't up to par/average skill the pulls would STILL be double pulls
    almost every sprout tank that does whatever dungeon for the first time pulls double at the very least, though most of them are wall to walling as well, with the single pulling tanks barely existing
    you got unlucky I guess, but single pulls are most definitely not the norm when it comes to new dungeons, even if gear just barely qualifies and isn't ilvl cheesed like the OPs is

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    He’s the tank. He sets the pace of the dungeon.
    lolmao
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    Last edited by Rinhi; 11-18-2021 at 05:41 AM.