Baffling behavior

[Mimilu]

See... You didnt read. I DIED first due to no support.

Picture this. The storm blood lvl 69 dungeon. The first mob. I engage to aggro them. I had stance on and i used aoe. I got hit. In that 2 second span, the team had walked off and presumed i was goinf to pull more. I said oh, no problem, lets go.

The second pack (3 dudes) I engage again. Attack first to establish aggro. In that 2 second span, the same thing happens. No heals. I die AND the dps die after. I suggested that we play our roles and the dps take the healers side...even though no heals were made and we all died. Im happy to clarify, its just ive wrote this 3x already and i feel some people arent reading anything.

So, you didn't use cooldowns then?

[Necrogen]

So, you didn't use cooldowns then?

In the span of a half button press? No, sorry, i havent mastered hyperspeed.

[Raven2014]

The second pack (3 dudes) I engage again. Attack first to establish aggro. In that 2 second span, the same thing happens. No heals. I die AND the dps die after. I suggested that we play our roles and the dps take the healers side...even though no heals were made and we all died. Im happy to clarify, its just ive wrote this 3x already and i feel some people arent reading anything.

You do realize that most healing spell take more than 2 seconds to cast ... right? Especially the spell that potent enough to keep a tank who is melting alive. Meaning even if the healer somehow starts casting moment before you even get hit, you still won't get the heal in time anyway. Sure, there is instant cast, but at lvl69 they are basically oh shit button reserve for an emergency, not the tool healer are expected to use when the tank has a single group of trash on him.

Even if we assume the healer gonna spam their faster heal, it will requires them to react within just half a second of you getting hit to get the heal out in time, something that ... unless I misread ... you proudly claimed you can not do yourself in the following quote:

In the span of a half button press? No, sorry, i havent mastered hyperspeed.

yet you expect your healer does?

I don't know if you realize how entitled or oblivious you are to your own problem. You think it's perfectly fine for you to make an excuse that you die too fast to active your mitigation ... which would be an instant cast ... yet you think it's 100% reasonable to blame the healer who would have to also hit a button - with cast time - to heal you up in time? Do you even realize the absurdity of your logic here?

Also, in your own word you admit you die in just 2 second with MINIMUM amount of trash on you, that's 101% on you. At proper gear level, a tank will easily last for more than 5 seconds even if he pulls wall to wall. And your recton "I did it later with another healer" doesn't mean anything positive for you, it just means you being carried. Claiming you don't need to be carried doesn't change the fact you had to be carried. Clearing a duty is like feeling a jug with water, as long as the needed amount got poured into it, it will get filled and the duty can be cleared, that doesn't mean everyone put in their fair share. The fact is simple, it's impossible for your to contribute a fair share with the gear you had no matter how much you want to dress up your argument, that means your group had to compensate for you, and that means you were being carried, and no amount of self-protest will change that.


I'm glad I see a lvl80 BRD attached to your avatar, and I hope that's what you will stick to. Don't get me wrong, it's not even a matter of skill. Every one was no0b once, I had been kicked both as tank and as healer before over my many years for being bad, for trying to sneak a clear without proper gears ...etc... the difference is I realize when the issue lie with me. Based on the way you tell your story without realize how absurd it is, and the way you response to people ... I'm not sure you can do the same.

[Drkdays]

So, you didn't use cooldowns then?

Do you really need cooldowns for one pack of mobs if the healer is actually healing...?

Here I thought healing was too easy, healers WANT to heal but there is never enough damage done to heal, one heal cast per pack, etc...yet the tank died twice before the first boss and before anyone else?

The conclusion seems clear.

[Lexis]

Do you really need cooldowns for one pack of mobs if the healer is actually healing...?

Here I thought healing was too easy, healers WANT to heal but there is never enough damage done to heal, one heal cast per pack, etc...yet the tank died twice before the first boss and before anyone else?

The conclusion seems clear.

Sounds like you skipped over the post and subsequent discussion. The tank died because they're massively undergeared for the duty and their HP melts within a handful of seconds. They fully admit to this, along with not using cooldowns to even help mitigate the damage, yet it's still somehow the healer's fault for not having split second reaction time to carry a paper tank through the dungeon?

Healers do want something to heal, something meaningful to heal. They don't want to frantically spam heals on the one tank just to keep them alive through single pack pulls. Not only is that dull, it's incredibly inefficient as well, since they can't even help dps down the mobs.

[Drkdays]

Sounds like you skipped over the post and subsequent discussion. The tank died because they're massively undergeared for the duty and their HP melts within a handful of seconds. They fully admit to this, along with not using cooldowns to even help mitigate the damage, yet it's still somehow the healer's fault for not having split second reaction time to carry a paper tank through the dungeon?

Healers do want something to heal, something meaningful to heal. They don't want to frantically spam heals on the one tank just to keep them alive through single pack pulls. Not only is that dull, it's incredibly inefficient as well, since they can't even help dps down the mobs.

Sounds like you skipped over conversation. Min ilv for a duty required was noted as was his death to a single pack of mobs, as was the healer pushing dps when he and others were low health.

[MikkoAkure]

Sounds like you skipped over conversation. Min ilv for a duty required was noted as was his death to a single pack of mobs, as was the healer pushing dps when he and others were low health.

Not sure it counts as "pushing DPS" when the OP himself said that he died in 2 seconds in "half a button press". If the OP doesn't have enough time to cast a cooldown before he's tanking the floor, then his healer doesn't have enough time to heal. He paradoxically says that he doesn't have "hyperspeed" in order to react fast enough to prevent damage, while at the same time accusing the healer of not healing him.

Mind you, it wasnt 3 mobs or groups. It was 3 dudes. Not 3 sets of 3 or 4 guys. Just 3. In the span of 2 seconds, my life gets melted, healer was just negligent. Im glad im not crazy and many others here understand that healers can just be bad.

Considering he was able to eventually do it with a different group, it's possible he was exaggerating for effect, but that still doesn't change the fact that his next healer would have had to babysit him through the dungeon with a magical IV bag and unless you're a masochist, that's not exactly fun and engaging healer content.

[Lexis]

Sounds like you skipped over conversation. Min ilv for a duty required was noted as was his death to a single pack of mobs, as was the healer pushing dps when he and others were low health.

Please. Read. The. Previous. Comments.

I have repeated this so many times because people can't be bothered to read it :/ The OP's gear was so low for the duty that their HP would absolutely MELT (by the OP's own admission, this is not me or anyone else making assumptions). They died twice because the only way to keep them alive through single pulls was to pre-cast heals and then spam those green buttons like there's no tomorrow. And, the cherry on the sundae, the OP then lashed out at the HEALER for not having the split second timing to heal their severely undergeared derrière through the entire dungeon. And in case you skipped over that, they were tanking with healing and DPS trinkets, so they only met the Minimum Ilvl by cheating the system with gear that contributes very little towards their tanking stats.

If you acknowledge and understand all of the above and still believe OP was in the right and the healer was at fault, then let's just say we don't agree on what constitutes proper dungeon etiquette and leave it at that.

[Drkdays]

I said no problem. its okay. how do we get to the next batch and still die?

Please. Read. The. Previous. Comments.

Healer fell asleep that second pull, did he?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! I wish all I had to do was heal, but the game won't let me! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He shoulda pulled more. He shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull. He should have discussed how he was going to tank. Healer are supposed to dps, brah! If the tank was too weak to allow healers to dps then the tank is bad!"

Conclusion: Healers can do no wrong in FF14.

[Lexis]

Healer fell asleep that second pull?

These double standards kill me.

"Healers just want to heal! Game doesn't give heals anything to do! Even low level dungeons are nothing but downtime. They must think all healers are knuckleheads! We dps 90% of every pull!"

*Tank dies*

"He had the item level but his trinkets were wrong. It wasn't the healer's fault. He should pulled more. he shoulda pulled less. He didn't use rampart, of course he died every pull."

Conclusion: Healer can do no wrong in FF14.

/facepalm.

I tried. You're not even reading the few sentences I typed out. I give up. Believe what you will. :/