"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[KizuyaKatogami]

Shhhh you must put up with everyone's bs all the time, they can run down die 10 times never do any mecanics right / waste your time talking for nonsense all the time you have no right to ever call this out or cuss at anyone.
You got better dps than both ur DPS as a tank ? Have fun dude they're enjoying the game and make your experience as great as possible and you can't say anything about it.

Sarcasm aside, if you start to listen to ppl here everyone is depressed antisocial stressed and triggered by everything you can say and that's normal to put up with terrible ppl both skillwise or attitude because you must be friendly at all cost no matter how bad and lazy they are, so yay best community ever yay.

Scarily accurate lol. The worst part to me is when you have people unironically defending just…absolutely lazy behavior which is what i like to call toxic casualism and enabling. THAT imo is where most of the toxicity lies in this community and it knows no bounds. A lot of the people in this thread are the ones who support that too so i’m not surprised to see them here xD

[Drkdays]

Shhhh you must put up with everyone's bs all the time, they can run down die 10 times never do any mecanics right / waste your time talking for nonsense all the time you have no right to ever call this out or cuss at anyone.
You got better dps than both ur DPS as a tank ? Have fun dude they're enjoying the game and make your experience as great as possible and you can't say anything about it.

Sarcasm aside, if you start to listen to ppl here everyone is depressed antisocial stressed and triggered by everything you can say and that's normal to put up with terrible ppl both skillwise or attitude because you must be friendly at all cost no matter how bad and lazy they are, so yay best community ever yay.

Most people AREN'T bad at the game though, and those who do struggle rarely do content that requires high-level playing anyways. So most of the people that get called out are either not doing anything worth being tormented over or those who do are probably still learning and too nervous to ask for help. Then you have your trolls, but they're surprisingly rare in group content in this game and are usually pretty obvious.

So yes, you MUST put up with players that die repeatedly or fail to do mechanics, because they are a minority and you are an adult (probably) and this game supports players at all levels and ages.

Or you can leave the group and find a new one without being verbally abusive, cause that's an option.

[MaikoRaines]

I have countless little stories of helping people. I have been toxic as everyone has, but every time I was, it only hurt everyone and made everything take longer. I believe the phrase "don't worry about not doing well if you're new, as long as you're learning something" can mean a lot to new players, and I say it often. New players are anxious about being bad, but they're just learning, and it takes time.

I'm not perfect. The farthest thing. I've had my moments of falling off the wagon and just participating in bashing. But when I started taking steps backwards some years back I'd try to look at it outside of the box and consider that "hey this person's new" so lets get them into my Discord and give them a push. Everyone learns at different paces and some might require a little hand holding. But for the hands I've "held" most of the time, they'll come back to me and outpace me in the role I was giving them a hand in.

And I'm perfectly happy when someone who was struggling begins to show me up and puts me in my place.

I'm not better than the next person. Better informed? Sure. That also depends because I've had 10 years of experience in this game and was subject to all of the changes, the fights, the mechanics, the classes. So lets pass down some of my experience and advice to someone who is receptive. They did after all take the time and money to purchase the game, choose the class that they wanted to try and I want them to genuinely succeed at it.

I'm not gonna tell someone, anyone, to "watch a video" because I never do. I learn the things I do because I tuck my pantlegs into my socks and go in knee deep. That's how I learn. Hands on experience. Most of the people who struggle and take the time to hear me out eventually learn and then demonstrate it better than I can put it into words.

I think if more people were willing to lend and bend an ear to someone struggling at a fight, tackle it with a little bit of empathy, we'd have the ground work to potentially a much better community. Unfortunately we'll always have impatient gatekeeping perverted edgelords here - and we just have to be vigilant about how we handle it. We don't know the person behind the keyboard. A lot of us play this game to escape IRL stuff or to find enjoyment.

Who are we to take that away from them?

Sarcasm aside, if you start to listen to ppl here everyone is depressed antisocial stressed and triggered by everything you can say and that's normal to put up with terrible ppl both skillwise or attitude because you must be friendly at all cost no matter how bad and lazy they are, so yay best community ever yay.

Syntax Genocide not withstanding....

This quote here is one of many perfect examples of what I mean when people are less constructive and more targeting of the problem rather than hammering out a solution or taking the time to help. Just because you have a garbage situation in your real life happening doesn't mean you should be taking it out on people who are using the game to escape their troubles and cope.

And "yay best community ever yay" isn't putting aside sarcasm. It's just further cementing the issues I lay out and people like you who aren't willing to help out the community aside from throwing more tires on the fire.

[Jeeqbit]

Honestly this is what a lot of this community feels like a lot of the time xD Especially when it comes to giving criticism to the game, it feels like people are in this 14 cult where you need to love every aspect of the game and any criticism is wrong lmao.

They aren't saying you have to love it, but they love it themselves so they want to explain why they love it and then you can either agree with it or not. There are things to criticise, but not nearly as much as in other games and what is different is that the developers explain why something has to be this way or why it's hard to fix so that we understand.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Most people AREN'T bad at the game though, and those who do struggle rarely do content that requires high-level playing anyways. So most of the people that get called out are either not doing anything worth being tormented over or those who do are probably still learning and too nervous to ask for help. Then you have your trolls, but they're surprisingly rare in group content in this game and are usually pretty obvious.

So yes, you MUST put up with players that die repeatedly or fail to do mechanics, because they are a minority and you are an adult (probably) and this game supports players at all levels and ages.

Or you can leave the group and find a new one without being verbally abusive, cause that's an option.

I have at least a dungeon run a day where i see someone that can be written off as bad. I’m talking endgame dungeons too IE Paglthan or Matoya’s Relict. People not aoeing,red mages hard casting spells, healers not dpsing, etc etc. The things you’d expect they had learned after 3 expansions. I’ve tried being nice and explaining and all i’ve typically gotten is either attitude/snark or silence.

[Sotaris]

They aren't saying you have to love it, but they love it themselves so they want to explain why they love it and then you can either agree with it or not. There are things to criticise, but not nearly as much as in other games and what is different is that the developers explain why something has to be this way or why it's hard to fix so that we understand.

However the same type of player that you're describing get very hostile and upset if you don't agree with them.

[Izscha]

Most people AREN'T bad at the game though

We dont play the same game then.
What's the name of the game you do play i'm curious ?

[Exosapien]

We dont play the same game then.
What's the name of the game you do play i'm curious ?

There are definitely people bad at the game quite regularly. That being said, I'd rather play with people that are dog water at the game than people who would be upset over it. And, no, I'm not talking about content that people would generally have a static for and even then in those situations if someone is bad I'd rather play with people that would help and enjoy helping others learn things than the people who act like being bad at a video game is some kind of irredeemable sin that should be punishable by firing squad.

[BaconBits]

Man, I yearn for the days of being able to roast someone so hard their entire family would feel it for generations to come, only for them to retaliate with a tactical nuke that would leave nothing but a smoking crater and broken dreams. Nothing builds camaraderie like vigorously insulting someone's lineage over a rousing game of Minecraft.

No /s here btw.

[Doc_Seraph]

Kupo, if you see me in Jenova I will hug you and toss flowers! <3 kupo