"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Kaurhz]

Look, there is what the marketing team presents and there is reality.

When you're in the game, you can see how unpleasant people are when something goes wrong and several minutes before, nobody talks about raid alliances and others.

Seeing as your previous post highlighted the complaint that you could 'no longer' call someone incompetent I'm not even sure what to take of that.. Calling someone incompetent is rude and it is largely counterproductive to do so if you aren't offering advice. If you have the gall to do that then have the common courtesy of telling people what they're doing wrong.

Besides, you have never really been able to do it. You'd know that if you checked the old terms of service. The rules were largely unchanged with the main additions simply being examples. Because apparently it was difficult to know what constituted as harassment, being rude, undermining, or instigating. Etc.

[Naoki34]

Seeing as your previous post highlighted the complaint that you could 'no longer' call someone incompetent I'm not even sure what to take of that.. Calling someone incompetent is rude and it is largely counterproductive to do so if you aren't offering advice. If you have the gall to do that then have the common courtesy of telling people what they're doing wrong.

Besides, you have never really been able to do it. You'd know that if you checked the old terms of service. The rules were largely unchanged with the main additions simply being examples. Because apparently it was difficult to know what constituted as harassment, being rude, undermining, or instigating. Etc.

Well listen, we have to express our frustrations rather than play the sheep, unless we risk a ban.

People are mostly incompetent, that's a fact.

I probably shocked your sensibility without meaning to, what do you want?

And, I have never been banned for telling a person that they should learn to play.

[Kaurhz]

Well listen, we have to express our frustrations rather than play the sheep, unless we risk a ban.

People are mostly incompetent, that's a fact.

I probably shocked your sensibility without meaning to, what do you want?

Yes and you vent your frustrations elsewhere, or behind closed doors, because it does nothing except aim to fuel an unpleasant situation. Whether it is the truth or not is frankly irrelevant.

I only take issue with how counterproductive it is, and how you seemingly ride the desire to call someone incompetent, whilst subsequently making a sarcastic post about how 'pleasant' that community is when something does not go their way. This has nothing to do with me being sensitive or not. Almost completely oblivious to the fact that such comments very often create an unpleasant situation.

To be frank I want nothing from you, I just felt it was an interesting thing to point out. These things generally happen when you post on a public forum.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Well listen, we have to express our frustrations rather than play the sheep, unless we risk a ban.

People are mostly incompetent, that's a fact.

I probably shocked your sensibility without meaning to, what do you want?

And, I have never been banned for telling a person that they should learn to play.

Heres some Advice.....GIVE Advice.
Try BEING Helpful, address the issue, and offer a solution, ask if the person knows what they are doing. And do so, without being a Jerk about it.
Im sure calling someone Incompetent, general Name calling and putting somebody down isn't going to make them play better or learn anything. Your more likely to start a fight and an argument, or probly get reported for being toxic, which means nothing gets done.

Try that 1st. If they are rude back and are clearly not taking any advice, then nothing you an do.
But I promise calling them Incompetent does nothing useful either. Unless you just enjoy insulting people.

[anguel]

Heres some Advice.....GIVE Advice.
Try BEING Helpful, address the issue, and offer a solution, ask if the person knows what they are doing. And do so, without being a Jerk about it.

even if i absolutly agree with you there, and are right on this, ppl just have too much pride to even accept advice, playing since 2.0, and been a drk since heavensward released and never changed, its absolutly MINDBLOWING how many ppl just will take GREAT offense if you ever even "suggest" to give an advice, as a main tank (and many will be in my feet here) its a repeating thing, you see offended ppl everywhere for the slightest of thing, ppl are toxic with too much pride its a fact, and because of that yes ! i admit im tired of "trying" to give advice, because i dont want to risk having a god damn argument on "you dont pay my sub" thing too tired of it, tryed many MANY time, and way more time than i wished for ended in a pointless arguments, because again ppl have too much pride to even admit that they may be wrong

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

even if i absolutly agree with you there, and are right on this, ppl just have too much pride to even accept advice, playing since 2.0, and been a drk since heavensward released and never changed, its absolutly MINDBLOWING how many ppl just will take GREAT offense if you ever even "suggest" to give an advice, as a main tank (and many will be in my feet here) its a repeating thing, you see offended ppl everywhere for the slightest of thing, ppl are toxic with too much pride its a fact, and because of that yes ! i admit im tired of "trying" to give advice, because i dont want to risk having a god damn argument on "you dont pay my sub" thing too tired of it, tryed many MANY time, and way more time than i wished for ended in a pointless arguments, because again ppl have too much pride to even admit that they may be wrong

In my experience most ppl dont know what being helpful actually means, and think just lambasting someone and insulting them is Constructive Criticism and is suppose to help them. And when it proves ineffective they always act all surprised and try to cover up with "Im trying to help you"
When...all they did was just insult people. Which then creates a resentment which makes them Hostile to anybody who might actually try to be helpful.
Not that Im trying to ignore or discredit what your saying, it is an Issue on both sides and I get it, but it mostly comes down to how its done; which may involve the unfair balance of you taking someones crap to try and eventually get through to them.

And....if Diplomacy fails.....you tried...it sucks and feels like wasted time. But you can't esuna stupid, or help people unwilling to accept it.
Just find a new group.