"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Shin96]

Based on a lot of the responses I've seen in this thread it feels like a lot of people here are just looking for a fight.

The sweetest moral delight is to point fingers at someone thinking you're a good person, whilst being the opposite in truth.

Removing the like function on these forums could go a long way in removing attention-seekers looking for validation. That's what I think at least.

[DBriggs304]

Tis' almost time for Endwalker!
(No real relevance to this topic, just your daily hype reminder!)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

At the very least, this thread is a treat in the absence of EW's initial schedule.

[Snorky]

I love how you proved the poster post wrong and they didn't even apologize for the straight up lie to make the OP look like a bad person, instead saying stuff like;
"just act maturely and you won't have a problem" or earlier, "It's okay to be frustrated it's not okay to turn Timmy OP into a punching bag. The rules are fine, just don't turn your fellow players into punching bags." "Controling one's self is a learned behavior otherwise emotionally people would all act like two year olds having tantrums. You are being asked by the rules to act maturely."
y'know, not following the same thing they preach like so quite a few posters in this thread before



that's what the gist of the discussion was, too, and yet it was removed completely, no one got insulted or anything, which is why it's so odd that it got deleted in the first place

You obviously have a problem with my post I wasn't lying and the post was edited. What I said is true you don't need to turn people into a punching bag to make a point. If that is too graphic for you the what do you think the original post is about? Is it okay for the OP to want to be able to express themselves including being angry at someone in game bit it's not okay to tell the OP you shouldn't treat people that way. You can disagree with me and try and deflect any bad feelings onto me you want. But I will remind you I didn't start this topic if you don't want to read others opinions maybe get off the forums.

[Artemiz]

It does amaze me that so many people in this thread act as if not being an abusive asshat to people is some kind of unatainable saintly virtue. I wonder how these people even manage to function in any stuation in life thats even remotely formal, work, school, weddings, hospital etc...

Or do they just run around abusing everyone and assume anyone who doesn't appreciate it is some kind of snowflake hypocritical white knight?

[Snorky]

It does amaze me that so many people in this thread act as if not being an abusive asshat to people is some kind of unatainable saintly virtue. I wonder how these people even manage to function in any stuation in life thats even remotely formal, work, school, weddings, hospital etc...

Or do they just run around abusing everyone and assume anyone who doesn't appreciate it is some kind of snowflake hypocritical white knight?

I think it's what they call being a 'edgelord' but I could be wrong. Back in my day they called it being cool or tough. It actually was just a lot of hot air being blown around. The ones you had to watch out for were the quite ones. Seriously on the internet seeing how many people you can outrage is some kind of badge or something. I find it very boring and disingenuous personally. Hope that wasn't too passive aggressive for some people?...(looks around)Nah not really.

[Snorky]

The sweetest moral delight is to point fingers at someone thinking you're a good person, whilst being the opposite in truth.

Removing the like function on these forums could go a long way in removing attention-seekers looking for validation. That's what I think at least.

I absolutely agree with this, we need to remove the like function. Then we will see how many people actually care to participate in the forums. It's a very good idea.

[LittleImp]

It does amaze me that so many people in this thread act as if not being an abusive asshat to people is some kind of unatainable saintly virtue.

It's more that it can be difficult to remain a 'good person' when bad actors are constantly and intentionally shifting the goal-posts to suit their own purposes, in a never ending war to be the 'goodest' person and weaponize morality against people they don't like for unrelated reasons.

My SO is a moderately popular member of the art community for this game, and is by all accounts an absolute saint compared to me. If anything, she's essentially too nice and struggles with people taking advantage of that fact. She had a particular user, who happens to be a very active member of the FFXIV morality discourse, become intensely jealous of her growing popularity and decide to cancel her. This person, who she'd never spoken to a single time, started to make twitter callout posts about how her art triggers their mental illness and makes them depressed, and that making art of a certain character a certain way was toxic. Other people, who didn't look into the origin of the situation (The person trying to cancel her literally had a string of public tweets where they admitted they were doing it because they were jealous of her growing popularity), band-wagoned on and she was forced to lock her account due to all of the insane abuse she was receiving from supposed 'good people' fighting the 'good fight'.

This community tends to unquestioningly give these types of people the benefit of the doubt on issues of morality, which ultimately does a significant amount of genuine harm.

[Deceptus]

The sweetest moral delight is to point fingers at someone thinking you're a good person, whilst being the opposite in truth.
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Every time you point a finger at someone three more are pointed right back at you.

[Artemiz]

It's more that it can be difficult to remain a 'good person' when bad actors are constantly and intentionally shifting the goal-posts to suit their own purposes, in a never ending war to be the 'goodest' person and weaponize morality against people they don't like for unrelated reasons.

My SO is a moderately popular member of the art community for this game, and is by all accounts an absolute saint compared to me. If anything, she's essentially too nice and struggles with people taking advantage of that fact. She had a particular user, who happens to be a very active member of the FFXIV morality discourse, become intensely jealous of her growing popularity and decide to cancel her. This person, who she'd never spoken to a single time, started to make twitter callout posts about how her art triggers their mental illness and makes them depressed, and that making art of a certain character a certain way was toxic. Other people, who didn't look into the origin of the situation (The person trying to cancel her literally had a string of public tweets where they admitted they were doing it because they were jealous of her growing popularity), band-wagoned on and she was forced to lock her account due to all of the insane abuse she was receiving from supposed 'good people' fighting the 'good fight'.

This community tends to unquestioningly give these types of people the benefit of the doubt on issues of morality, which ultimately does a significant amount of genuine harm.

The bulk of your post is about a situation I have no knowledge of so cannot comment. The vast majority of players howerver don't have this problem as it's a lot more to do with being well known than being an FFXIV player.

The first part however is all about shifting blame for ones own behaviour onto other people. Nobody is forcing you into a virtue arms race though, just be true to yourself and try to treat others with respect.