"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Snorky]

I think you're giving the OP too much credit. They only have two posts and never bothered to clarify if people were wrong about them.

In fact, they argue against passive aggressiveness, but is entirely silent in this thread other than those two posts (unless their additional posts got deleted in a supposed purge I wasn't aware of).

The original post got edited in the OP they wanted to have license to verbally abuse other people and claimed it was the rules that caused the problem. The whole OP has been edited so we are now left with where the conversation has gone. It's now a rambling mess.

[Izscha]

You absolutely misses what I said about talking to Timmy calmly and you are assuming Timmy is doing it on purpose. Please read everything because you are missing the point.

If you're constantly a burden to everyone else doing it on purpose or not do not matter, if you got any sense of decency you would realise that yourself and remove yourself from it and come back when you can bring more to the table than ruining the thing alone.
But since ppl do not care about being burden or dead weights and will stay even if they're the only problem here it's not surprising that at one point timmy becomes the punching bag and i can't say he did not deserve it at some point.
And you can be the kindest person on this planet, timmy wont miraculously learn this by your words alone. I guess it do happens, but it's way too rare in this game to even waste time doing it for every timmy each single time.
But i like the jp way tho and how they deal with it, just disband blacklist the guy and creat another one, at least timmy feelings are safe.

[Nishira]

And i do agree with that that's not my problem here, all i'm saying is since it seems so easy to you to say such thing on anger it must be the same with any other feelings.
Your "it's a video game" argument isn't relevant either, because like anger there is a ton of ppl even here that will say that they're stressed / anxious or feel sadness over a videogame, and not once i've seen someone say something like you did on anger.
If anyone do say something like "i'm nervous and i panick and die" no one will say "Wth it's a videogame dude keep your nerves up" while at the same time it seems totally ok to say such things about anger and frustrating situation, while it's the same thing, ppl feeling stuff.
That's the kind of double standards that do amuse me nothing more than that.

Now that is a really interesting comment, I had never considered it that way. You’ve got a good point, thank you for shining a light on something I hadn’t considered.

As for your other comment, I think I go into a game, and content with others in it, with a mindset that doesn’t expect failure or success. Simply a: let’s give it a go and see how it plays out. I don’t get frustrated easily because of that, I accept things as they come and try to be flexible with what I get. I’ll do my best obviously and try enable a success from my part, but that’s the only thing truly in my control. From what I’ve observed, one of the biggest sources of frustrations in games, is expecting an easy win and perceiving other players as obstacles when they don’t give one.

I don’t distinguish between the attitudes and what is morally ‘correct’, after all the discussions on what can be expected of others here on this forum I understand the different viewpoints somewhat, even if they are not my own. But personally I’d always choose the mindset that gives me most peace, and least bitterness, resentment and anger towards others. It doesn’t seem a particularly fun way of playing games to me when those emotions sort of dominate your experience. I’d choose a different mindset or hobby in that case haha. But there’s no judgement in that, more a not fully understanding why people would put themselves through that on a regular basis

[Oscura]

I think you're giving the OP too much credit. They only have two posts and never bothered to clarify if people were wrong about them.

In fact, they argue against passive aggressiveness, but is entirely silent in this thread other than those two posts (unless their post got deleted in a supposed purge I wasn't aware of).

I think you're giving them too little credit? Why would you want to return to a thread that in less than 24 hours had almost 11 pages, a lot of which were spent ridiculing the OP for having a different experience or viewpoint? Why would anyone want to return to a thread after being dogpiled on by sarcastic and passive aggressive remarks?
You're implying I shouldn't give OP the benefit of the doubt because they're new to the forums or never came back? Someone always has to be new and I wouldn't blame someone for not coming back.
It could've simply been that they had gotten their issue off their chest because a specific incident or person triggered this feeling, as well.

Again, people were too busy trying to shut OP down or simply tell them they're wrong entirely before even asking them why they even felt that way to begin with.

The original post got edited in the OP they wanted to have license to verbally abuse other people and claimed it was the rules that caused the problem. The whole OP has been edited so we are now left with where the conversation has gone. It's now a rambling mess.

One of the first replies made nearly 35 minutes after the OP's post has a quote of the OP and is unedited(the reply, not the OP). Quotes do not update with the original post being quoted so I sincerely doubt this is the case.

Edit: In fact, it says the OP's last edit was at the exact same time as the first reply in the thread.

[Snorky]

If you're constantly a burden to everyone else doing it on purpose or not do not matter, if you got any sense of decency you would realise that yourself and remove yourself from it and come back when you can bring more to the table than ruining the thing alone.
But since ppl do not care about being burden or dead weights and will stay even if they're the only problem here it's not surprising that at one point timmy becomes the punching bag and i can't say he did not deserve it at some point.
And you can be the kindest person on this planet, timmy wont miraculously learn this by your words alone. I guess it do happens, but it's way too rare in this game to even waste time doing it for every timmy each single time.
But i like the jp way tho and how they deal with it, just disband blacklist the guy and creat another one, at least timmy feelings are safe.

I am not going to convince you of anything. I am not here to do that. I am telling you the rules are clear, just act maturely and you won't have a problem. It is absolutely not anyone's right to verbally assault anyone, sure you can be mad or frustrated and swear a blue streak but the minute you direct it at someone you are subject to the rules in place. There is a difference and that is what I am pointing out.

[Izscha]

I am not going to convince you of anything. I am not here to do that. I am telling you the rules are clear, just act maturely and you won't have a problem. It is absolutely not anyone's right to verbally assault anyone, sure you can be mad or frustrated and swear a blue streak but the minute you direct it at someone you are subject to the rules in place. There is a difference and that is what I am pointing out.

Yes those are the rules i've never denied it, being rules doesn't mean it's a good thing either and it's clearly rules that i will respect in game no problem with that.
That being said i do just believe that making rules such as "you can ruin 7 ppl experience and they can't say anything to you" is a stupid rule and i stand by it.

[Snorky]

Yes those are the rules i've never denied it, being rules doesn't mean it's a good thing either and it's clearly rules that i will respect in game no problem with that.
That being said i do just believe that making rules such as "you can ruin 7 ppl experience and they can't say anything to you" is a stupid rule and i stand by it.

I understand your point of view but honestly you picked out one thing in the post I made and also you made an assumption about Timmy and you never addressed the whole point of my post. So with that said I will let you continue your conversation with with others GL in game.

[Izscha]

Now that is a really interesting comment, I had never considered it that way. You’ve got a good point, thank you for shining a light on something I hadn’t considered.

As for your other comment, I think I go into a game, and content with others in it, with a mindset that doesn’t expect failure or success. Simply a: let’s give it a go and see how it plays out. I don’t get frustrated easily because of that, I accept things as they come and try to be flexible with what I get. I’ll do my best obviously and try enable a success from my part, but that’s the only thing truly in my control. From what I’ve observed, one of the biggest sources of frustrations in games, is expecting an easy win and perceiving other players as obstacles when they don’t give one.

I don’t distinguish between the attitudes and what is morally ‘correct’, after all the discussions on what can be expected of others here on this forum I understand the different viewpoints somewhat, even if they are not my own. But personally I’d always choose the mindset that gives me most peace, and least bitterness, resentment and anger towards others. It doesn’t seem a particularly fun way of playing games to me when those emotions sort of dominate your experience. I’d choose a different mindset or hobby in that case haha. But there’s no judgement in that, more a not fully understanding why people would put themselves through that on a regular basis

Thanks for you answer, i do not get frustrated in this game at all, most of the time it's even hilarous to me to see how ppl do play and all the mistakes they do on discord with friends and we got good laugh about it.
Betting on how much will die on X mecanic is more entertaining in raid 24 than the fights but i digress here.

Just i do get why some are frustrated with this game and the community as a whole, so it's fun to discuss about it. Cool that you're enjoying the game the way you do.
And i do totally agree with your "biggest sources of frustrations in games, is expecting an easy win and perceiving other players as obstacles when they don’t give one.", you do learn to expect nothing pretty fast if you ever used pf in your life haha.

[Izscha]

I understand your point of view but honestly you picked out one thing in the post I made and also you made an assumption about Timmy and you never addressed the whole point of my post. So with that said I will let you continue your conversation with with others GL in game.

I did get your point and i'm ok with most of it but the point i made with the rule.
Likewise, GL in game and have fun.

[linayar]

I think you're giving them too little credit? Why would you want to return to a thread that in less than 24 hours had almost 11 pages, a lot of which were spent ridiculing the OP for having a different experience or viewpoint? Why would anyone want to return to a thread after being dogpiled on by sarcastic and passive aggressive remarks?
You're implying I shouldn't give OP the benefit of the doubt because they're new to the forums or never came back? Someone always has to be new and I wouldn't blame someone for not coming back.
It could've simply been that they had gotten their issue off their chest because a specific incident or person triggered this feeling, as well.

Again, people were too busy trying to shut OP down or simply tell them they're wrong entirely before even asking them why they even felt that way to begin with.

What are you even talking about? The replies are exactly what the OP is asking for and now you think they'd be afraid or don't want to engage?

Again, the accusation of passive aggressiveness. Maybe I've missed them, but the responses that I've seen are ordinary responses that the OP can engage with. In fact, others are doing it for the OP.

If the OP is asking to be allowed to have "fights and arguments," then they've got them, at least the latter anyway. If they are "absolutely disgusted" when people suddenly refuse to speak, then they shouldn't be silent in their own thread. No one can shut the OP down, only the OP and the GMs.