"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Exosapien]

The last time I used profanity was about 3 or 4 weeks ago in PVP where I used foul language because people were literally throwing an win and it was extremely frustrating to watch.

I'm actually surprised at the amount of people who think it's justified to start cussing at strangers because they're frustrated. No one made you say anything except yourself.

[Escalon]

Thank you for your feedback, but I refuse to converse with you any further of fear of loosing my account for disagreeing with you. Thank you and have a nice day.

[Exosapien]

Interesting state of mind. No skin off my back though.

[Theodric]

Thank you for your feedback, but I refuse to converse with you any further of fear of loosing my account for disagreeing with you. Thank you and have a nice day.

For what it's worth, some of the kindest people I have ever met happened to swear like sailors. I don't know why so many people in the present day act like the simple act of swearing is some horrid, unforgivable sin. Yet it is what it is with the rules as they are, I suppose.

On the other hand, I have consistently found people overly concerned with the use of tone and language to be some of the nastiest, spiteful and manipulative individuals that I have ever encountered. I've also found them to be pretty flaky and unreliable.

I think most reasonable people take a 'live and let live' approach in-game and in the real world. If they have a negative interaction with someone, they're generally not going to go out of their way to pretend like it's the worst thing ever unless it's a major overstep and persistent thing. In other words, most people aren't going to reach for the report button because they had a bad run in a dungeon.

On the other hand, there is a certain type of individual who will act on any slight - real or perceived - and rush to gleefully report someone for the slightest reason, be it differences in opinion, a single swear word, a dash of sarcasm. These people genuinely believe that anyone who doesn't think, act or talk like they do should be banned and excluded altogether.

That isn't me saying that everybody should be able to say whatever they want. Some things are certainly worthy of a ban. However, I've yet to see many businesses in the present day acknowledge that there is a sizable movement of individuals who seek to weaponise terms of service in their favour over the most pettiest of slights.

From what I've seen, the FFXIV community has a staggeringly high proportion of such individuals. Weirdly, for all the concern they express over tone and words they tend to be exceptionally vile outside of the game. Far beyond anything they criticise. Such as the numerous individuals who I have seen hunt people down outside of FFXIV in order to send them death threats and insult them over liking and disliking certain characters.

I envy those within the FFXIV community who haven't been exposed to such things. I really do.

[FusiaRain]

I'm actually surprised at the amount of people who think it's justified to start cussing at strangers because they're frustrated. No one made you say anything except yourself.

It's not something that needs to be justified it's a natural reaction when things happen.
Step on a lego, hit your toe, accidentally burn yourself cooking the first thing you will say is either fuck or god damn it. This is true for everyone I been around.

People are forgetting humans have a natural instinct to get out the things boiling within them be it cursing or other. I would much rather everyone get out their emotions, issues virtually than going into real life and doing it in worse ways than just words.

Honestly most likely the reason things so horrible in real life this days is because streamers made gaming for everyone so now there is no escape, no way to let out negative emotions scream shout curse etc.

Honestly virtual sights,games need to return to 2010 ways and stop beimg on their high horse acting like they wouldn't react when stressed, frustrated. When many players play games to relax from having to remain silent and holding in negative pressure.

Not everything needs to be justified or "normal" things could just be a way to get out thoughts, and frustration.

Heat of the moment exist and things can happen that prevent the ability to think. People ignore this by saying "reasonable" but noone knows how they will react to it until they are put in the exact same situation. That is impossible due to every situation being different.

[Exosapien]

Honestly most likely the reason things so horrible in real life this days is because streamers made gaming for everyone so now there is no escape, no way to let out negative emotions scream shout curse etc.

Honestly virtual sights,games need to return to 2010 ways and stop beimg on their high horse acting like they wouldn't react when stressed, frustrated. When many players play games to relax from having to remain silent and holding in negative pressure.

Not everything needs to be justified or "normal" things could just be a way to get out thoughts, and frustration.

I really do not understand your point about streamers, however I'll never consider it normal get so upset that it would be even an impulse to start cussing at people over video games. That honestly just feels very unstable.

[FusiaRain]

I really do not understand your point about streamers, however I'll never consider it normal get so upset that it would be even an impulse to start cussing at people over video games. That honestly just feels very unstable.

My point is they bring in this "normal" types into gaming that Honestly dont belong in the gaming world. Also many people game as its a safe place were they don't have to worry about being "unstable" which is why they arent social in real life.

[Exosapien]

My point is they bring in this "normal" types into gaming that Honestly dont belong in the gaming world. Also many people game as its a safe place were they don't have to worry about being "unstable" which is why they arent social in real life.

I have no clue what people "don't belong in the gaming world." What is a "normal" type?

Gaming is literally for everyone.

The idea that we should just put up with people verbally harassing others because "gaming is their safe space to harass others" is absolute nonsense.

For what it's worth, some of the kindest people I have ever met happened to swear like sailors. I don't know why so many people in the present day act like the simple act of swearing is some horrid, unforgivable sin. Yet it is what it is with the rules as they are, I suppose.

On the other hand, I have consistently found people overly concerned with the use of tone and language to be some of the nastiest, spiteful and manipulative individuals that I have ever encountered. I've also found them to be pretty flaky and unreliable.



I envy those within the FFXIV community who haven't been exposed to such things. I really do.

Let's not pretend they were talking about casual conversation with some salty language. Everyone I know swears all the time, but there's a major difference when you aim it at people like a weapon. They specifically said they were cussing at people who were "frustrating" them because they were "throwing a pvp match."

Like let's be real for a second.

[Theodric]

Let's not pretend they were talking about casual conversation with some salty language. Everyone I know swears all the time, but there's a major difference when you aim it at people like a weapon. They specifically said they were cussing at people who were "frustrating" them because they were "throwing a pvp match."

Like let's be real for a second.

Such things don't generally bother me, personally. My time is precious and I consider most other people's time to be precious as well. If people are deliberately throwing a PvP match in order to 'lose faster' or 'feed the enemy points' or the like then I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep if someone chooses to get frustrated and call them out.

Some people are just hot headed after all. It's a personality trait and I rather suspect the attempts to 'fix' and 'punish' such people are unlikely to lead anywhere pleasant. In no small part due to how it often overwhelmingly impacts and excludes people who grew up in rougher environments.

I'm not at all suggesting that players who swear shouldn't ever be punished. To me it's more so a matter of context. In a fair world, if someone is banned for swearing at another player for throwing a match then the player throwing the match would be banned as well.

[FusiaRain]

I have no clue what people "don't belong in the gaming world." What is a "normal" type?

Gaming is literally for everyone.

The idea that we should just put up with people verbally harassing others because "gaming is their safe space to harass others" is absolute nonsense.



Let's not pretend they were talking about casual conversation with some salty language. Everyone I know swears all the time, but there's a major difference when you aim it at people like a weapon. They specifically said they were cussing at people who were "frustrating" them because they were "throwing a pvp match."

Like let's be real for a second.

Noone is asking you to out up with anything just saying what your calling unstable,cruel, or trolling isnt thats the joy of gaming there is supposed to be no "normality".

Games give choices you can block,ignore etc a person however you would rather not use the system giving. Instead you use the game makers rules to shove your real life normal bs on people making gaming more and more into everone being the same and drone like behavior.
As I said before people cursing at another is heat of the moment, plus could be stressing over real life bs using the game as an escape.

Maybe if you want normality dont go into virtual things and stay on the sports bs