"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Jin-]

Being passive aggressive is the only way to be negative without needing to fear getting reported. That's why this game thrives on passive aggressive behavior.

I would prefer we could use more aggressive way of talking, at least that promotes to solve problems between two parties.
Now it's just if someone says a bad thing the other one doesnt react but just reports

[Breakbeat]

I completely disagree. I have also been here since July, and you and I have been playing in the same sandbox. I've had no impetus to have an argument.

You seem angry, and you and I are the only variables in such a vastly different experience.

Look within for the answer.

I had a "contest" going on the WoW forums for the better part of ten years, whereby if someone would group up with me and personally show me a fair amount of uninvited toxicity, I would then buy them anywhere from 1-3 months of game time, depending on how much random toxicity they could show me, and how intense the toxicity was.

Don't believe me? Google 'Breakbeat site:us.forums.blizzard.com toxic group "game time"' and you can see for yourself.

I never had a single taker, not one, over ten years. Why? Logically, because people jump on forums in the heat of the moment and misrepresent the amount of negativity they're receiving, and inflate their tales about how bad things are. Folks are negative themselves and then try to invent stories about how bad others are.

This is one of the better ones, TBH. "Deafening silence is passive-agressive." Uh-huh. Perhaps inside your head, everything is passive-agressive? Nevermind that perhaps folks just weren't talking? Perhaps they felt it better not to light fires near a powder keg? Silence is silence. If you're disturbed in your head, I guess everything will come off as passive-agressive.

I'm leaning strongly towards opening up my contest to folks here on the FFXIV forums. I want so much to group up with someone pushing this 'toxicity agenda', run things with them, join random groups, see no toxicity, and report all about it back here.

Ain't no one winning game time from me, because there simply isn't that kind of pervasive, random toxicity here. Still on the edge of opening up the offer, though.

[Sotaris]

Let me start with saying I've been playing this for 8 years and FFXI for 10 years before I took a break and moved over to ARR back in 2013, overall I've had mostly good experience with people even after the fact I've jumped between servers and FC's over the years until I found "home" and made my own FC, 3 years ago.

Now, to the topic. I partially agree with OP.



We keep hearing everyone in WoW is so toxic and unwelcome. I disagree with this sentiment, there is a big amount of bad apples though but that don't make up the whole community for that game.

When it comes to FF, we have a big amount of good apples and a good amount of passive aggressive gatekeepers and white knights, whom I believe is the type of players and defenders OP might be refering to.

In conclusion; yes FFXIV community is just as toxic as any community, we just hide in passive aggresiveness and ToS.

I am disgusted that you want an open forum to disrespect other people. The game is fine how it is.

Not surprised hearing this from you. "Everything is fine".
Is FFXIV one of the better MMORPGs on the market right now? Yes.
Does FFXIV have their own fair share of issues? Omg yes.
Is it a bad game? No.

[Reap00]

Let me start with saying I've been playing this for 8 years and FFXI for 10 years before I took a break and moved over to ARR back in 2013, overall I've had mostly good experience with people even after the fact I've jumped between servers and FC's over the years until I found "home" and made my own FC, 3 years ago.

Now, to the topic. I partially agree with OP.



We keep hearing everyone in WoW is so toxic and unwelcome. I disagree with this sentiment, there is a big amount of bad apples though but that don't make up the whole community for that game.

When it comes to FF, we have a big amount of good apples and a good amount of passive aggressive gatekeepers and white knights, whom I believe is the type of players and defenders OP might be refering to.

In conclusion; yes FFXIV community is just as toxic as any community, we just hide in passive aggresiveness and ToS.




Not surprised hearing this from you. "Everything is fine".
Is FFXIV one of the better MMORPGs on the market right now? Yes.
Does FFXIV have their own fair share of issues? Omg yes.
Is it a bad game? No.

You just confirmed what I said so what are you complaining about now?

[Sotaris]

You just confirmed what I said so what are you complaining about now?

Me pointing out the game is not perfect = complains in your world? Ok.

You missed the point I was making. The game has flaws and you act like it's the perfect game, which it arguably is not.

[Larirawiel]

+1 @ Threadstarter

Cheers

[Kaurhz]

Could also just resolve issues through a civil discussion that doesn't result in adhominem or people being needlessly confrontational about a topic.

[DBriggs304]

As long as they keep enforcing discipline on bad behavior, it's all working as intended.

More games should do the same.

[Caurcas]

Good faith gatekeeping is necessary for a healthy community. 14 has issues with this.

[Raiya]

Yeah its not a lie the toxicity in FFXIV is mild or inconvenient at worst. Ive played BDO, BNS and other games and THOSE games show true toxicity.